Talk:UEFA Nations League
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History Merge
Hi, is there any objection to history merging this with Nations League, which I created to be rapidly redirected? Thanks, Matty.007 21:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Please now see note at top. Thanks, Matty.007 17:48, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
DYK nom
UEFA "League of Nations"
I don't believe this is an official designation (the same way that there's no "UEFA League of Champions") and therefore should not be mentioned in the lede in that sense. Having said that, I googled for it and saw that BBC used it but it was merely in a non-official way. Parutakupiu (talk) 14:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, my addition of 'League of Nations' was undone, despite [1][2][3] and many more. I suggest the info is re-added? Thanks, Matty.007 11:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- The competition is called the Nations League, nowhere does UEFA (or indeed even the media since the announcement) refer to it as a LoN. The BBC article is 1) originally dated from before the announcement of the (name of the) competition 2) uses the LoN label in quotes to describe the idea rather than name it and finally 3) actually uses the proper name (Nations League) in its updated version & title. The Mirror opinion piece is just a rant conjuring up an analogy with the historical League of Nations. Absolutely zero need to include a name which 1) is not the name of the competition, 2) is not used by UEFA who run it, 3) is not used by the media - including the Metro[4] outside a single[5] blog.89.176.87.169 (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- It has still been called the League of Nations, the BBC was from the same day as the announcement, and even if it was only called the League of Nations pre-announcement, some mention of the name should go in the article. Thanks, Matty.007 15:16, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- First, March 26 comes before the 27th. Second, it has only been called that because the official name was not known. Inclusion of a temporary, working title made up by a particular media outlet is in no way necessary. Especially as the media outlet in question have actually used the correct and official name in the title and body of the updated version of the very article you have linked to as a source.89.176.87.169 (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I am perfectly able to count to 30 (and more!), so if I said there was a BBC article from the 27, it was either an honest mistake from me or... it was the article I linked above. I have no problem with keeping the article the way it is at present, I merely felt that the project name as it were should be included. Thanks, Matty.007 16:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I thought you were linking to that other article from the 26th[6] (incidentally the piece from the 27th appears to be only another updated version of that one). My mistake is easily explained, however, because everything about the previous article applies to this one as well: They both use the official name of the Nations League in their titles and text. Additionally, they both also contain the phrase "League of Nations" – but its placement in quotes and context obviously show that it is not a name of the competition but rather a descriptor of sorts. In fact, the very first post in this talkpage thread by Parutakupiu actually addresses this exact point. It is merely a temporary label used in the short time before the name of the Nations League was known and not a designation officially associated with the competition, so again, no need to include it. 89.176.87.169 (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I know how easy it is to get confused between the two, when I was linking them I opened both, then closed one thinking they were the same article. Thank you for discussing it, best, Matty.007 17:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'd also like to add I didn't want to come across as overly confrontational, I just think it is fairly clear that the LoN in those articles is nothing more than a quick label put on the thing before UEFA announced it as the Nations League. And for the reasons above I don't think it would really make much sense for it to be there. It's not like we'd be removing the very commonly used "European Cup" even though officially it was the "European Champion Clubs' Cup". 89.176.87.169 (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- That's fine, there's a difference between the bold revert discuss cycle, which we were rightly engaged in and being confrontational. I still disagree to an extent, but I can see the argument for not including the info is stronger than mine. Thanks again for the help. Matty.007 17:56, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'd also like to add I didn't want to come across as overly confrontational, I just think it is fairly clear that the LoN in those articles is nothing more than a quick label put on the thing before UEFA announced it as the Nations League. And for the reasons above I don't think it would really make much sense for it to be there. It's not like we'd be removing the very commonly used "European Cup" even though officially it was the "European Champion Clubs' Cup". 89.176.87.169 (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I know how easy it is to get confused between the two, when I was linking them I opened both, then closed one thinking they were the same article. Thank you for discussing it, best, Matty.007 17:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I thought you were linking to that other article from the 26th[6] (incidentally the piece from the 27th appears to be only another updated version of that one). My mistake is easily explained, however, because everything about the previous article applies to this one as well: They both use the official name of the Nations League in their titles and text. Additionally, they both also contain the phrase "League of Nations" – but its placement in quotes and context obviously show that it is not a name of the competition but rather a descriptor of sorts. In fact, the very first post in this talkpage thread by Parutakupiu actually addresses this exact point. It is merely a temporary label used in the short time before the name of the Nations League was known and not a designation officially associated with the competition, so again, no need to include it. 89.176.87.169 (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I am perfectly able to count to 30 (and more!), so if I said there was a BBC article from the 27, it was either an honest mistake from me or... it was the article I linked above. I have no problem with keeping the article the way it is at present, I merely felt that the project name as it were should be included. Thanks, Matty.007 16:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- First, March 26 comes before the 27th. Second, it has only been called that because the official name was not known. Inclusion of a temporary, working title made up by a particular media outlet is in no way necessary. Especially as the media outlet in question have actually used the correct and official name in the title and body of the updated version of the very article you have linked to as a source.89.176.87.169 (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- It has still been called the League of Nations, the BBC was from the same day as the announcement, and even if it was only called the League of Nations pre-announcement, some mention of the name should go in the article. Thanks, Matty.007 15:16, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- The competition is called the Nations League, nowhere does UEFA (or indeed even the media since the announcement) refer to it as a LoN. The BBC article is 1) originally dated from before the announcement of the (name of the) competition 2) uses the LoN label in quotes to describe the idea rather than name it and finally 3) actually uses the proper name (Nations League) in its updated version & title. The Mirror opinion piece is just a rant conjuring up an analogy with the historical League of Nations. Absolutely zero need to include a name which 1) is not the name of the competition, 2) is not used by UEFA who run it, 3) is not used by the media - including the Metro[4] outside a single[5] blog.89.176.87.169 (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
format details
At the very least, the section needs to provide comprehensive answers to the following questions: how is NL linked to the European Championship qualifying? What does a team have to do to qualify for the European Championships through NL? The article doesn't even mention how the NL champion is qualified; but I'm more concerned about the complete lack of details how a team of divisions B, C and D can qualify. CapnZapp (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- You are right. Should be in. It is that Winners of league A,B,C and D qualify to the Euro. If allready qualified it goes to the runners-up etc.. -Koppapa (talk) 05:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Replacing friendlies
I thought that this competition was supposed to replace friendlies. Below are Republic of Ireland 2018 fixtures:
23 March: Turkey (A) - Friendly
28 May: France (A) - Friendly
June: TBC
6 September: Wales (A) - Nations League
11 September: Poland (A) - Friendly
13 October: Denmark (H) - Nations League
16 October: Wales (H) - Nations League
15 November: Northern Ireland (H) Friendly
19 November: Denmark (A) - Nations League Mobile mundo (talk) 18:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Republic of Ireland are in a three team group, meaning two Nations League dates are free for friendlies. The NL is not a complete replacement for friendlies. Red Jay (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)