User talk:Terran57

'Yowani Choctaws' listed for deletion

A page that you have been involved in editing, Yowani Choctaws, has been listed for deletion; you may wish to participate in the deletion discussion. Thank you. StaticGull  Talk  13:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Tabor Indian Cemetery and editing stuff

I have deleted Mount Tabor Indian Cemetery because it was a copyright infringement. You cannot take information from someone else's webpage and post it in its entirety (or pretty close) on Wikipedia, even if it is cited. Not only is that a copyright infringement, but other websites present information differently than Wikipedia and have different rules than Wikipedia, so it is often not appropriate to paste the information. I've also recently done a cleanup on the article Yowani Choctaws.

You appear to be a new contributor who is anxious to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Choctaw topics, but you might want to review some of Wikipedia's core policies and guidelines:

• No original research and verifiability - Wikipedia can't publish information that hasn't already been published somewhere else. Commentary is not allowed.
• Reliable sources - Information on WP should be cited to a reliable source. This usually does not include a self-published source like a website. Books, journal articles and newspaper articles are considered reliable sources.
• Neutral point of view (NPOV) - Articles on wikipedia must be written in the neutral point of view. That means we present facts but not opinions. This is especially difficult, but equally necessary, in articles on Native American history. For example, it is not NPOV to say that "Things were changing in Texas and not for the good as 1835 passed on to 1836." That type of sentence should be left out, and instead the article should focus on explaning the events that happened. Then the reader can make the determination for themselves as to whether the changes were good or bad.
• How to cite sources - You've done a great job including the list of sources that you used, but it would also be helpful if you used inline citations. That way people can see where each piece of the article comes from. Information about the history of Native American tribes is often disputed, and having inline citations for each piece of information helps readers to understand who is saying what.

It might also be helpful to read Wikipedia:Writing better articles. There's lots of rules at Wikipedia, and it's often hard when you are new to figure out what to do. Your work is helping to fill in some big gaps that Wikipedia has right now. If you need any help understanding any of the policies or figuring out how they apply to what you are trying to do, please ask me. I'll be happy to help! Karanacs (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC) h The Mount Tabor Indian Cemetery is not a copyright infringement. As Tribal Chairman of the Mount Tabor Indian Community, with ancestors buried in there we have the right to use our name where we need it. Paul Ridenour is not a member of MTIC. He does have authority to put information on his website which regarding the cemetery he notes came from ME. So there is no copyright infringement as I was the primary sources. All other sources from GenWeb, Rusk County, or the Mount Tabor Indian Community site all are authorized either by myself or as applicable through the MTIC Executive Committee. As to someone continuing to remove the reference under "State Recognized Indian Tribes" I gave the SPECIFIC state references to the Mount Tabor Indian Community listings as a State Recognized Tribe under said heading. While any help in cleanup is more than welcome, I see no reason to continue to use or support Wikipedia financially if information on historical groups like the Yowani Choctaws or Mount Tabor recognition continues to be deleted. I apologize for not being more involved since 2008 when I first started on the articles,

however, three heart surgeries and a host of other issues, not to mention running the MTIC federal acknowledgment project have not left much time to review information I posted long ago. Thank you for your time. Terran57 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Still having issues navigating Wikipedia, in particular deaing with those removing the Mount Tabor Indian Community reference from the "List of State Recognized Tribes" Ahalenia Ahalenia and one other have removed the posting as has one other stating that the bill was only honorary. However, under Texas law the wording of the bill is the issue and the final paragraph states "RESOLVED, That the 85th Legislature of the State of Texas hereby RECOGNIZE the Mount Tabor Indian Community of Texas and commend it on its many valuable contributions to this state; and, be it further... This is the same wording as the 2008 Lipan Apache bill that was recently upheld by the Fifth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in a religious case related to possession of eagle feathers. "That the Senate of the State of Texas hereby RECOGNIZE the Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas and commend it on its many valuable contributions to this state; and, be it further..." The feathers were returned due to their being a "state recognized tribe" and a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Note the House bill fr the Lipan was worded the same way. The Mount Tabor Bill was a joint bill and signed by the Governor. The Governor did not sign the Apache bill. There is then no discernible difference in the wording of the two tribes recognition. This is different from a 2015 bill for the Texas Band of Yaqui Indians which specifically stated "Honored" not "recognized". At this point not being able to navigate Wikipedia properly, I cannot respond to those removing it, but must file a formal protest if it continues.Terran57 (talk) 18:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell, but I do appreciate your efforts to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of such an important topic. Pictures are always welcome, but they need to meet Wikipedia's image policy. That means that either you took the photos or they should be in the public domain. There are lots of rules about images and I am by no means an expert on them. If there is specific help that you need, please feel free to ask. I'm also very sorry to hear about your cousin. I likely attended his Silver Taps ceremony - all Aggies regret the loss of one of their own. Karanacs (talk) 18:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Starting a new wikipedia page

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing inappropriate pages, such as Starting a new wikipedia page, is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Abishe (talk) 01:14, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I've renamed the article to Mount Tabor Indian Community. Abishe, the user who marked the article as a hoax, has acknowledged it was a mistake and apologized. Please feel free to continue working the article. I suggest you read about how to add inline citations. Thanks for your contributions, and sorry for all the trouble. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 04:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)