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News reports that officially there is no ex-communication by community as whole but only by mufaddal

However there is no official confirmation from Dawoodi Bohra community on the alleged ex-communication and progressive members have called a banned on this practice citing it as illegal[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 February 2015

References

  1. ^ http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-social-boycott-of-khuzaima-qutbuddin-oppressive-say-progressive-bohras-seeking-its-complete-ban-1955460

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2016


62.215.195.28 (talk) 11:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: You have not made any request, and it's not protected either. INVISIBLEknock! 11:47, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My Edits

I happy to contribute to this biography, but i tried drafting this in a word doc and now doing it in sandbox and need some help making the article neutral as well as correcting the code, even the footnotes have got messed up in the process. I've created a Sandbox where I'll be drafting. You'll are free to suggest how to better my editing This is my sandbox link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Muffizainu/sandbox (talk) 10:27, 13 June 2016 (IST)

@Muffizainu: Sorry, but I don't think anyone is going there. You just copy/pasted this article and DESTROYED all content there. If you want to make any proper change, edit directly on this article; and make sure you have reliable sources. INVISIBLEknock! 15:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was choosing a biography in this topic area to edit and was about to write something about this biography given my interest in this topic as a part of my college assignment but then I saw all these comments on talkpage. I think this current article really needs coherence. I am proficient in html, so I think I might be able to help. I have no personal point of view regarding the topic which may be a good thing. I also see what Mr. Muffizainu did in his sandbox, but I think he did not copy the full html markup with the file. If you can correct that, redo your edits in a fresh copy of the article in your sandbox you will be able to avoid direct editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immmmanuel (talk • contribs) 19:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Would like to add the following: "Mufaddal Saifuddin was named one of The 500 Most Influential Muslims[29] in 2014/15[30] and 2016[31]." And in the education section "graduated from The Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University[3][c]" (Refer to my sand box for the references). Since it's in arabic, how best to do it?

(talk) 11:33, 14 June 2016 (IST)


I was able to extract the references from your sandbox and added the detail to this article. I think this is what you wanted. After reading all the comments above, I think this article will need as many credible references as possible and a rewrite in some areas. I will be researching other references you gave and doing that impartially. Please let me know if any one can help. --Immmmanuel (talk) 10:03, 14 June 2016‎ (UTC)

I have made some more non controversial changes to the article to make it look a bit more like good encyclopedia articles. I will try to format it a bit better. If you or any one else have more information like you are sharing in your sandbox, please send the link here. --Immmmanuel (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have made an edit on the Sandbox. Can the following changes be added?

(In the intro) He succeeded (http://themuslim500.com/downloads/2011-low.pdf), not without dispute, to the office after his father, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who passed away in 2014. [3] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Syedna-suffers-stroke-names-son-successor/articleshow/8754141.cms He is the spiritual leader of 2.5 million people living in 100 countries. (Ref http://themuslim500.com/downloads/151001-TheMuslim500-2016v009(23%7C48)-Web-Low.pdf & http://themuslim500.com/downloads/m500-2014-low.pdf)

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin conferred upon him the title of (Arabic: ثقة الدعوة الطيبية‎‎; Thiqat al-D'awat al-Tayyibiyah ) (meaning The Trusted of the Tayyibi Mission) and bestowed upon him the cognomen of “Saifuddin” (سيف الدين) on the 27th of Zil al-Qa'da 1385H corresponding to 18th March 1966.[17][18]

And a suggestion to add A sub heading as Aligarh Muslim University's new Chancellor --Muffizainu (talk) 21:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I looked through history of article. I think some users may consider a separate heading for being the chancellor as promotional. I suggest that you create a heading named "career" as in many other articles. Then write your content in it. If there is a lot of content for his career as a chancellor, we can discuss about separate heading. I think other edits have good references. I have written other edits. See how I am adding to article, you can add yourself as well but you may need to try to be neutral as I gain from all above comments that neutrality is a must. --Immmmanuel (talk) 06:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Summichum please do not revert everything as "whole sale blanking". You will need to point out what and why you are reverting and discuss it. I see that you have a problem with alma mater. Please explain. But do not blank other details as they do not have anything to do with this. --Immmmanuel (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Immmmanuel, it appears you inserted incorrect references in the Awards section, possibly due to some confusion or mistake in my sandbox. I have corrected them.Muffizainu (talk) 00:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. I remember going through the correct references when I researched the topic but some how the wrong ones got copied. Your sandbox is a little confusing maybe. --Immmmanuel (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some small edits on this page and have been reading the page since a while. I feel that the material regarding FGM and succession needs some pruning since it appears to be in violation of wiki policies. They are merely a collection of statements without context to the biography of the subject. Taha Shoeb 10:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahashoeb (talk • contribs)

Hi Taha, I agree. I placed a tag on the FGM section for the same but no one responded to reorganize so I will do it myself because now we have consensus to do it. i will research the topic and applicable wikipedia policies and manual of style today and make it more like an encyclopedia article. --Immmmanuel (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, I read through the FGM section. It mostly talks about other people and concepts than the subject personality. It is also a collection of statements and not encyclopedic text. I am removing it completely according to consensus by me, Taha and Muffizainu and if some one wants to add it back, please first discuss it on talk page. This text will need to comply to WP:MOS and WP:COATRACK before it can go into the article and it will need CONSENSUS to get its place back in article. --Immmmanuel (talk) 07:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed this sentence does not have a reference on it "Both marriages were solemnised by the 52nd Da'i Mohammed Burhanuddin but the second marriage to Bazat Saifiyah Qutbuddin ended in divorce". Can you please see if it is in a reference in article or in your sandbox? --Immmmanuel (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Sections cannot be removed without consensus, I disagree with removing it , previous removal was restored by an admin Summichum (talk) 10:51, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your disagreement is your right to opinion. To participate in consensus, you have to give an actual reason why the section should not be removed. Restored by admins or editors is a thing of past. New revisions are based on above policy and fact based discussion. You can discuss too. Whatever you do, do not undo everything. Your revision undid everything even text you did not contest. Stop disrupting like this. --Immmmanuel (talk) 05:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Should not be removed as it is well cited , admins have reinstated the exact same content nothing can override WP:NOTCENSORED , you cannot delete this important info on FGM of Mufaddal and the awards added have no citations hence not verifiable besides being self published. It is you people who should stop disrupting the stable version of the article considering you are under Sockpuppet investigation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/_Muffizainu Summichum (talk) 10:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


The "Travel Section" seems a bit out of place in this article, I have moved the information as it is into more relavant sections. Namely the early life, and recongintion sections. --Muffizainu (talk) 23:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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