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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Icewhiz (talk | contribs) at 11:57, 13 February 2018 (→non facts). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

does this incident rate an article??

This should just be noted in a more general article - merge it. This stuff goes on all the time between Israel and Syria. 104.169.16.173 (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First Israeli jet shot down since 1982, and first direct Iranian action against Israel (it was an Iranian drone, not Syrian). Ethanbas (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More details

Could you/anyone add which weapon used to downed F-16? Also under "Casualties and losses", add what are those 3 SAM batteries. --AntanO 06:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the Hebrew article, it say SAM batteries as S-200 (missile). So, the same missile downed F-16 as per S-200 (missile)#Syria.--AntanO 06:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing wrong with going into more detail, but that is more appropriate for the main body of the article, not the infobox which should not be clogged up with excessive information. EkoGraf (talk) 09:00, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

page moved

I was bold and moved the page to "February 2018 Israel–Syria–Iran incident" because this title includes the three involved parties. OtterAM (talk) 09:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm OK with that for now. Ethanbas (talk) 09:57, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Main involved parties are Israel and Syria, and it's where the incident occurred. Also, to list three countries in the title is clumsy, and you did it not in alphabetical order, by the way. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 February 2018

February 2018 Israel–Syria incident → February 2018 Israel–Syria–Iran incident – The requested title involves the three countries that are involved in the incident. The incident involved Israeli airspace, Syrian airspace, an Iranian drone, Israeli aircraft, Syrian and Iranian bases, and Syrian antiaircraft missiles. Thus, all three countries need to be included in the title per WP:NPOV. By the way, the media doesn't seem to have come up with a unique name for this event yet. OtterAM (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the analogy quite works with the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, because in that case Iran wasn't directly one of the combatants. Here Iran was directly involved through the drone and because their forces in Syria were targeted. OtterAM (talk) 11:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is a logical point too. Let's see other users opinions. --AntanO 11:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, see above. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Iran claims they are not involved. This could change, but including Iran in the title now would be embracing Israel's POV. Thundermaker (talk) 11:35, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per others. EkoGraf (talk) 14:15, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The RQ-170 drone copy was clearly Iranian - as reported by several non-partisan RS. Iran was also clearly in the rhetoric following the attack. Note that the incident also involved Jordnanian territory (the drone entered via Jordnian airspace) and possibly Lebanese (for missile overflights, not aircraft this time) - but Jordan was not involved in any shooting (AFAIK). Given the extremely complex situation inside Syria (with several different state and non-state actors present in the country) - merely stating the country due it its territory being the launch/target point is misleading.Icewhiz (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Keep it practical and focus on the main locations of this incident; also keep it neutral by not embracing a one-sided POV. Historically, wars/battles/incidents are not described by every single possible combatant. Imagine if we called the Korean War the "Korea-China-American-United Nations War" or Vietnam the "Vietnam-Cambodia-Laos-America-UN War". Utterly ridiculous to even try.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose: Per User:AntanO. Saff V. (talk) 11:52, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Is there any proof that Iran was involved, other than Israeli claims? If not, why is Iran mentioned now in the title? Emesik (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Although the first clash between Israel and Iran as part of the proxy conflict, it is still an incident between Israel and Syria, given the fact Iran is working in Syria as part of the Syrian Civil War. It seems reasonable to me to treat Iran here as one of Syria's allies.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 08:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged F-15 damage

We're currently retaining this report - إصابة مقاتلة F15 إسرائيلية ثانية وهبوطها اضطرارياً - which is the sole outlet reporting on this in a way that doesn't seem terribly RSey. This claim isn't really being repeated (OK - Southfront repeated this - sourced to them). As far as I can tell, the Israeli unit involved was flying F-16Is (and probably firing Delilah (missile) - which is not deployed from F-15s). I suggest we remove this claim all together - it simply isn't being repeated by any outlet of note, and the al-Arabiya reporting is in itself dodgy (the claim is in the title and in the first sentence - but nothing further in the al-Arabiya article which doesn't have a reporter in the byline - it is العربية.نت (arabic.net)).Icewhiz (talk) 09:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Other then Arabiya (a semi-verifiable source) nobody else has reported on this. EkoGraf (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Israel–Syria incident is more relevent

I don't understand why it is called Iran-Israel incident. The incident mostly took place between Syria and Israel and within their territories. If an Iranian drone was involved this is irreverent. Should it be called a USA-Russia incident since it involves a US F-16 and Russian S-200 missiles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabolisk (talk • contribs) 20:57, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This actually should be Iranian-Syria-Israel conflict. Since Iran was controlling the drone, Syria operate the air defense systems and Israel Air fighters. Assafn (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

non facts

This part is citing a opinion piece from Haaretz, its information is incorrect and the first sentence doesn't seem like wikipedia material. It should be removed from the article, if we use diffrent opinion pieces or "analysis" then we can get a wide range of views for this article, since this is a encyclopedia, someone should remove this part.

"This incident is extremely unusual, as it is the first time Israel and Iran confronted each other directly since the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the begining of the Iran–Israel proxy conflict" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon551055 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This was actually news reporting and not opinion. My own 2 cents is that this is probably the first Israeli acknowledged Israeli military vs. Iranian military/IRGC (actual IRGC forces, not advisers) incident.Icewhiz (talk) 11:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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