Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bohemian Grove
Delete or Speedy Delete, as per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which states in part:
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There are two versions of this page Bohemian Grove and Bohemian Club. The AFD applies to the first only, as the second only needs some editing. I am asking that Bohemian Grove be both deleted and protected from recreation.
Between the main page and the talk page we have allegations of child prostitution, sexual harassment, involvement in an "ancient Canaanite, Luciferian, Babylon mystery religion ceremony", etc. with those attending including Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, Alan Greenspan, Dwight D. Eisenhower, William Jefferson Clinton, Robert Novak, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry,
The original article was created on 7 November 2003, with the only source cited being Alex Jones (radio). The proper name for the club is the Bohemian Club, however, Jones sells a video titled “Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove” so we have an article titled Grove instead of Club -the name of the club’s compound instead of the name of the club. IMO Jones used “Grove” as it sounds more pagan/sinister than “Club”; whatever his reason, his usage is the reason for the current page title. The only reason for someone to look-up “Bohemian Grove” on Wikipedia is to validate Jones’s claims, which seems to be the main reason for this page existing. If someone had never been exposed to Jones, and wanted information about the club, they would use the correct name “Bohemian Club”.
The best choice at this point would be to invoke Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
Administrators encountering biographies that are unsourced and controversial in tone, where there is no NPOV version to revert to, should delete the article without discussion (see WP:CSD criterion G10 for more details). Brimba 20:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect. It appears that they should be merged. However I'd support leaving this article title as a redirect rather than deleting it. Speculative material should be trimmed. -Will Beback 21:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Violate BLP, full of claims of secret meetings, nothing referenced. Every potentiially controversial claim would have to be footnoted to show which reliable, verifiable reference is supposed to prove it. Edison 23:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect per Will Beback above, since this is a common search term. Any BLP violations should be removed; no statement of fact should be sourced to Alex Jones. Tom Harrison Talk 02:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect per Will Beback and Tom harrison --Guinnog 02:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The frequency of edit corrections on this article indicates it is being agressively patrolled by editors with an unusually strong interest in its deletion. Anyone patrolling this article who is or has been a member of, associated with, or acting as an agent of the Bohemian Club should provide complete disclosure and perhaps should refrain from editing or commenting on this article or the associated deletion article.