Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 February 14

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February 14

File:New GBK Main Stadium from Drone Jan 2018.jpg

Non-free image of the newly renovated Gelora Bung Karno Stadium which has two copyright issues which need to be resolved: the copyright status of the staidium, and the copyright status of the photo.

The first issue has to do with whether there is any copyright on the actual design of the stadium. In some countries such as the c:COM:FOP#United States, there is no copyright protection for building such as this which means they can be freely photographed. However, this might not be the case for Indonesia where this staidium is located per c:COM:FOP#Indonesia. I've asked about this at c:COM:VP/C#FoP in Indonesia, but haven't gotten definite response. If stadiums such as this (especially ones owned/operated by the Indonesian Government) are not eligible for copyright protect under Indonesian law, then all that matters if the copyright status of the photo. If, however, it is deemed to be eligible for copyright protection, then probably needs to be treated as non-free or perhaps as {{FoP-USonly}}. The file was uploaded as {{non-free architectural work}} which no longer is applicable since the construction has been completed. The "non-free architectural work" template suggests using "FoP-USonly" in that case of countries there is no FoP for buildings. If that's the case, then this probably can be treated as PD locally for Wikipedia, but whether the file can be kept depends upon the copyright status of the photo.

So, the copyright status of the photo needs to be sorted out. The file is sourced to Instagram and Instagram's licensing terms is not usually compatible with WP:COPY or c:COM:L. I cannot find anything on the photo or the account holders page which says that this particular photo has been released under a free license as the non-fre e use rationale is claiming. So, OTRS verification is probably needed for the photo since it is clearly a WP:DERIVATIVE. If it cannot be OTRS verified, then it needs to be deleted regardless of the copyright status of the stadium. If the stadium is "FoP-USonly", then OTRS verification is still needed per WP:NFCC#1 because someone else could take a photo of the same stadium for identification purposes and then release it under a free license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free host city logos in 2018 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship

Clear decorative use of various non-free logos in 2018 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship#Host selection. Non-free use of images in an image gallery markup is almost never allowed per WP:NFG because the images typically lack the context required by WP:NFCC#8 and also do not meet WP:NFCC#3a. File:Italy-Bulgaria 2018 WCH.png is being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox, so these individual host cities are not need for that despite the mistaken claim being made in each file's non-free use rationale. If there were individual artilcles written about each of these host cities, then perhaps the non-free use of the files in those articles would make sense. There's nothing, however, in the main tournament article about these hosts cities or more importantly about these individual logos which requires that they need to be see by the reader. Text is more that sufficient in this case per WP:FREER for identifying the individual host cities. Suggest delete for all files. Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The uploader has been notified of this discussion per common practice, but the account is currently under an indefinite block. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:38, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free Irish Sea Scout Flags

Non-free images of flags being used in a decorative image gallery markup in Sea Scouts (Scouting Ireland)#Irish Sea Scout Flag. This type of non-free use is almost never allowed as a rule per WP:NFG because the context required by WP:NFCC#8 is almost always lacking. This does not appear to be an exception to that rule, and the little written about the flags is not only unsourced, it doesn't really require the reader see the individual images per WP:NFCC#1. There is also an issue with WP:NFCC#3a since apparently the same logo/symbol is used on all the flags as File:Sea Scouting Emblem (Scouting Ireland).svg being used in the main infobox, and multiple images of the basically the same symbol is not needed. So, if more sourced content about these flags can be added then perhaps it might be possible to keep one or two of them at the most; otherwise, I suggest delete for all.

Finally, it might also be possible to recreate freely licensed versions of these which are sufficient for identification purposes much like is sometimes done for coats of arms. Most of the individual elements used in these flags look they wouldn't be protected by copyright; for example, there may be images of the Irish flag, an anchor, a Fleur-de-Lis and a shamrock on Commons which can be used to create a reasonable representation of the flag. It's also possible the the entire symbol itself is old enough to be PD which means a non-free file for any of these flags in not needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Realizing there's no stopping you once you go on one of your image deletion sprees, I vote we keep the most representative one.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The section is not decorative, it is informing the reader on what the four sea scout flags look like. Also, the flags are and images are very very different....containing the same logo does anot affect that. North8000 (talk) 17:24, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]