Talk:Hellraiser: Judgment

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Promotion

To promote Hellraiser: Judgment, Axe Warrior Guitars just released a Hellraiser-styled guitar. I'm not sure if this is an official promotion, or if the company just made the guitar and used the Judgment label to market it ([1], [2]). Dark Knight 2149 17:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

The film may have received a release date. IMDB (which isn't reliable) said that it was 28 March 2016, then Paul T. Taylor posted this release date to his Facebook page. Reliable source Bloody-Disgusting believes that Taylor may have been reacting to IMDB. They are trying to see if this is the actual date or not. Now it's time for us to sit down and wait for a confirmation. Dark Knight 2149 22:17, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Central is also saying that the release date hasn't been confirmed yet. Hold on to your seats. Dark Knight 2149 03:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Release

Good news - the film is completed. It's got sound, music and everything. A trailer and poster has also been made, and the film may even recieve a limited theatrical release. ([3]) I'll update the article when some of this stuf is released and if the theatrical run becomes official. Dark Knight 2149 21:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Confused

The official poster is still not out, there's no release date, and there's no trailer, but Dimension says it's coming this year, how the heck is it coming this year if this year is almost over and all that stuff is still not confirmed!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.165.11 (talk • contribs)

Well, the film was announced to be released direct-to-video for a 2017 release last year (though, admittedly, it looks like that's not going to happen). There was a similar situation with another major horror film, Leatherface, where news went completely dry and the film, which was supposed to come out in 2016, didn't make the release window and was eventually given an October 2017 release date. As for the overall lack of news, we do have a partial explanation. Back in 2016, director Gary J. Tunnicliffe told Dread Central (which they published in this editorial) that there wouldn't be much news because "It seems to me that any images or fodder given out in good faith are kinda twisted around – usually to the negative – so the best response really is the film itself I suppose." Of course, this doesn't explain why the film still doesn't have a release date, especially when the director's website has said "Official release information coming soon..." for months now. I have heard rumours that the film was a lot better than the studio expected and they are considering some sort of theatrical release. However, that isn't confirmed. The short answer to your question is - We have to wait to find out. Dark Knight 2149 04:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon release date

Amazon claims that the film will be released on 13 February 2017, which a number of sites are reporting on. However, Amazon isn't a reliable source for release dates and have been known to use placeholders. I would imagine that an official confirmation isn't far behind. Dark Knight 2149 21:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Amazon has (unfortunately) removed the 13 February date and replaced it with the text "This title has not yet been released." Although I personally hope that still ends up being the correct date, this is one of the many reasons we should be careful not to jump the gun. Amazon (and other retailers) have been known to do things like this when no official date for an upcoming product is out. The fact that it's available for pre-order is hopefully an indication that an official date is nigh. Dark Knight 2149 01:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Children of the Corn

Again, why is this statement--"After a near two year period silence from Dimension Films, it was announced that Children of the Corn: Runaway would also be distributed by Lionsgate on March 13, 2018."--even in this article? What does the release of that film have to do with this film? The fact that they were both delayed and picked by Lionsgate has no bearing on this film's page. It is original research to try to argue that there is some story connection when there is no source to verify that. The fact that they were both picked up by Lionsgate is inconsequential to each other. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 20:29, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, I'm looking at the development here and there is a lot of talk of the development and rights to Children of the Corn, which has not business being on this page. Just because a source is simultaneously talking about two franchises does NOT mean that we should be talking about both on this page. We should be pulling what is relevant to this film for this page and the other for the other page. You're implying more than a tangential relationship between the films. They do not share stories or universes, and should not be talked about so much on the other's page. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, ONLY the pertinent information related to Children of the Corn: Runaway is covered in the article. Secondly, numerous sources have pointed out both Hellraiser: Judgment and Children of the Corn: Runaway are (to use an exact quote) "closely linked": [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. Both films were filmed in the exact same locations at the same time, with much of the same crew by the same studio in order to maintain the rights, were picked by the same distributor after minimal to zero marketing, ETC. If the coverage of Children of the Corn was excessive, that would be one thing. But it isn't. As for the bolded quote above, that was only meant to convey that the Children of the Corn was picked up by the same distributor. If you want to combine that with the previous sentence, you are perfectly free to do so. Dark Knight 2149 05:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Their productions are linked, not the actual movies themselves. Don't misinterpret what the sources are saying to suite what you want them to say. The fact that they shared crew and filming locations is a way to save money. We don't need the CotC's development history on this page. It isn't relevant to this article. Lionsgate is known for picking up low-end horror movies. This isn't their first rodeo with horror. What you're doing is taking a statement of how the productions were closely linked (because it saves money) and making it seem like they are connected beyond that. The fact that they shared crew (not abnormal), shared filming locations (again, not abnormal) doesn't make it relevant to this article. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not misinterpreting anything. Only the relevant bits are covered in the article. At the moment, the article only mentions that both Children of the Corn and Hellraiser were purchased around the same time, the productions were linked by having the same crew filming at the same time as Judgment only to keep the rights (it's even directed by one of the Judgment stars), both films were shelved or went silent after the Weinstein debacle, and then both films were picked up by Lionsgate and released within a month of each other.

"We don't need the CotC's development history on this page." - Considering the linked productions and the fact that one of the sources says "The key to this is that Dimension bought into the Hellraiser franchise at exactly the same time they bought into the Children of the Corn franchise. When I shot Hellraiser 3 in North Carolina in 1991, Childen of the Corn 3 was shot back to back, and Dimension bought into both the franchises at exactly the same time. Exactly the same time Revelations was made, a Children of the Corn was made… At exactly the same time Hellraiser: Judgement was being made they were making another Children of the Corn movie…they were clearly going to lose the rights to both franchises again, I believe we do. And only one sentence is devoted to the developmental history, just as only one sentence was devoted to the Filming section, and only one sentence was devoted to the Release. Like I said, the coverage of Children of the Corn is not as excessive as you're trying to make it seem. Dark Knight 2149 18:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]