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Order of candidates in the infobox: It has been agreed by consensus from an RfC at the article United States presidential election, 2016 that US presidential election articles will use the following criteria for ordering candidates in the infobox [pre-election]: order based on results of the candidates or their parties from the previous presidential general election. Link to previous discussion: here

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Grammar Fixing

Between the words "Wisconsin" and "Maine's 2nd Congressional District", replace the word "and" with the words "as well as". Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2018‎ 2601:401:c400:357:ac66:5c2e:65e7:a1dd (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The preceding sentence reads "Six states plus a portion of Maine that Obama won in 2012 switched to Trump." The list following correctly enumerates six states and a Maine Congressional district. The word "and" is appropriately used. There is no grammar correction needed. General Ization ^Talk 02:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant to say

For grammar fixing, what I meant to say is that between the words "Wisconsin" and "Maine's 2nd congressional district" in the second INTRO paragraph at the TOP of the article's page, replace the word "and" with the words "as well as". Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C400:357:F4FD:ED7E:77EC:7F67 (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done I split it into another sentence; I think it reads better that way. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:03, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Full results

Can someone please put the full results somewhere on the page? I want to see how many votes the very minor parties got, and it only shows the full biggest currently. Alex of Canada (talk) 18:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2018

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In External links, the Dmoz template should be updated to use

Regional/North_America/United_States/Government/Elections/President/2016

because it's a past election. The result should look like

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174.197.3.29 (talk) 17:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC) 174.197.3.29 (talk) 17:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:04, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent voting totals?

At the top of the page in the info box, Trump and Clinton's voting totals are listed as 62,984,825 and 65,853,516, respectively. But in the candidate results table, their totals are listed as 62,985,134 and 64,853,652. Is this an error or am I missing something? PlanetDeadwing (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox numbers are the correct ones. They're sourced from the official Federal Election Commission results at [1]. The numbers in the results table come from an unofficial source, Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections [2]. It looks like Leip calculated his numbers from his assessment of state-reported results. I think the table should be recast using the FEC official figures. This would result in losing things like the breakout of Colin POwell's write-in votes, for example, because the FEC just lumps them into "Write-In (Miscellaneous)", but I think that's a good trade. If someone wants to break out individual write-in candidates in text following the table maybe citing to Leip, that would be okay.

I'm not so good with tables, so this would take me a while to do, and I'm going to be offline for a week or so; and I'm reluctant to make such a sweeping change without consensus just before I take off. If no one has addressed this or objected by the end of next week, I'll try to take a stab at it. TJRC (talk) 05:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this comment in the intro?

"In February 2018, the former director of the CIA admits that America is also influencing elections abroad."

If you actually follow the linked source, no such thing actually happened. An ex-CIA director merely speculated on a Fox News show that America "probably" interferes with elections to stop "communists," and his phrasing implies that even this speculative event, if it occurred at all, only occurred in the past and is not ongoing. This is not a valid source that in any way backs up the claim in the article, and moreover it is irrelevant because even if the claim were true it is 100% immaterial to the subject of the article. Moreover, the poor grammar of this sentence, along with the fact that it is a textbook example of a "whataboutism" conveniently tacked on to a section about Russian interference in this election, leads me to believe it was most likely written by a Russian operative. This frankly should be removed from the article entirely, and it certainly should until a far better, non-speculative source with actual backing is cited and justification is provided for its inclusion in the article at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.67.208.171 (talk) 09:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand you, the claim is true and is very related to the all these accusations stated in the intro. In my opinion, this whole long text with the speculations should be moved below to some controversies paragraph, this do not belong to intro at all. Anyway, what more non-speculative source do you want? You can choose: 1, 2, 3, 4. Jirka.h23 (talk) 10:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt that you don't understand me, as you are clearly not a native English speaker because your grammar is also poor. "This do not belong to intro at all" and "admits in Feburary 2018" are both dead giveaways, comrade. You have failed to master the basic past and present tense, as well as the definitive article. Whoever taught you English at the Russian bot factory should be fired. Moreover, none of those sources (one of which is RUSSIA TODAY - a LITERAL Russian propaganda outlet!) solve the underlying problem, which is that his comments themselves are not definitive, only speculative and vague. I don't doubt that he said them, but what he said does not in any way actually prove the claim in the article (his speculation does not suffice for an "admission" and moreover he alone is not an authoritative source) and moreover it is not material to the article. It is merely a whataboutism -- you know, a classic RUSSIAN propaganda technique. You see, whether or not Americans may or may not have interfered in elections in the past has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Russians interfered in our election in 2016. And since the US election of 2016 is the subject of this article, interference in that election is the only kind of interference that is objectively relevant to the article. This is like putting "Hitler also killed many people" at the end of a paragraph about Stalin's atrocities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.67.208.171 (talk) 09:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2018

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Can you please add a fact about this election? The fact is that this election was the first time since 1988 that Wisconsin didn’t vote the same as Illinois. 2601:401:C400:357:4141:983E:2CF6:25B0 (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I don't see how this improves the entry in any way, but someone else can reopen if they feel otherwise. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reclosing a second time. Unremarkable trivia. --Jayron 32 03:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: It's mere trivia, and not informative. The fact that two states voted alike in seven consecutive elections is not particularly important. With fifty states, and 1250 ways of pairing them up, there are bound to be short strings of similar voting patterns such as this. TJRC (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]