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Regarding your draft article on Cam Ne

Hi, Peter, I am a Wikipedia editor and I recently read your Articles-for-Creation submission "Draft:Cam Ne". It looks like this article has been sitting there for quite awhile, and although I do not know for certain why no one has reviewed it (and I myself am not a reviewer), I have some thoughts that might help you.

My first thought is this: if the article's title is to be "Cam Ne", then the article itself cannot be solely about the news event that took place there. It would need to begin with something like, "Cam Ne is a village located in Viet Nam..." and from there it would need to say something about that village drawn from reliable independent published sources.

I realize, of course, that the village may only be notable for this one incident. Ultimately, that doesn't matter: Wikipedia considers pretty much any geographic location to be inherently notable, and that includes every village that currently or previously existed whose mere existence can be demonstrated on a map. I am pretty sure Cam Ne meets this requirement (?), and if it does, that means the article is already notable enough to be published. Except that the article is about the incident, not about the village, and has a few other problems.

The other main problem I see here is the way you have chosen to insert your citations. Whenever you make an assertion, especially those involving a specific date, place, and persons involved, you need to provide a cite that supports that statement. You currently have whole paragraphs that are full of statements of fact but that have no supporting references! Until this is fixed, no reviewer will be eager to publish the piece because that reviewer will feel obligated to do this for you, and that is a lot of hassle. Reviewers are unpaid volunteers, and it is much easier for them to simply pass on reviewing complicated articles with citation problems.

Having said that, I think the article has some good content and it looks to me like the subject qualifies as notable. But if you want a reviewer to agree with you and move the article out of draft space, you will increase your chances a lot of you are able to make sure that each statement of fact or assertion you make corresponds to a citation that supports it (and without putting 5 or 10 citations in each paragraph multiple times! One cite for each statement of fact that needs supporting, and preferably at the end of the paragraph for that statement, with multiple cites at the end if the paragraph makes multiple assertions, and cites in the middle of the paragraph when it is necessary to distinguish which cite goes with which statement). I cannot guarantee for you that this will solve the long delay, but I think it will certainly increase the likelihood of getting the article reviewed. The subject looks notable-- just make it easy for a reviewer to accept it, and it might be good to go! If you have any questions after reading this, leave them on this page below my text, and I will be notified. Ok? Good luck! I got A million reasons (talk) 04:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear a million reasons,

Thank you for your comments. I guess I need to change the article title. The article is about the 1965 incident involving the US Marines, not about the village. As far as I can tell, there are no reliable independent sources that describe the village, then (1965) or now. I take your point about more citations. This is a bit ironic, as I once wrote a long article (that was published) about the incident. I stripped out most of the citations for the Wikipedia article. I've written a lot of published encyclopedia articles, and they don't have citations.

Can you suggest a title? The incident is definitely important. In 1999, the New York University Department of Journalism solicited nominations for the Top 100 Works of Journalism in the United States in the 20th Century. The incident at Cam Ne was one of four entries about the Vietnam War. All I can think of is "Incident at Cam Ne."

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Again, welcome! Eagleash (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]