Talk:Karmapa

This Karmapa controversy is a volatile area. Both sides insist they are right. It is casuing discomfort throughout the Karma Kagyu lineage. A lot of followers on both sides do not understand why high lamas who have done a lot of training seem to be squabbling amongst themselves and not exhibiting the clarity, wisdom and compassion that is expected of them. Interestingly, the Urgyen Trinley Dorje group do not have web sites attacking the other faction but the followers of Thaye Dorje do.

Karmapa Conflict

Can I suggest that we have a section one the historical karmapas, and then a section on the controversy, perhaps starting with the back ground and then both side's point of view? Billlion 18:38, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This is a very good suggestion, especially since current article is moderately biased – it is written from the point of view of Urgyen Trinley Dorje follower. A more objective re-edition of the text would be a good idea. --AndyBrandt 10:12, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It seems to swing from one camp to the other, as the only people interested in editing it are from one or other of the rival camps. However the swings in bias are getting less it seems (look at the history). Also the controversy spreads to other articles (eg Sharmapa), and I think it would be better on one page, including links to the various news reports, details of the court case etc. I am sure if wikipedia can have a NPOV article on Palestine we can manage it for Karmapa! 13:34, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Done that now. Also added list of Karmapas 1-16. Karmapa controversy needs work ! Billlion 18:41, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)