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User talk:Telenovelafan215#Por_amar_sin_ley

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The problem is the following, I proceeded to eliminate certain actors from the list "Special guest stars" of the article Por amar sin ley, since they are not notable actors and did not play an important role in the series, many only say three words and it is a lot, others only participate as additional actors. And because it's a telenovela and, obviously, it will have too many episodes, and in each episode several actors are credited as guest actors, this would make this list too long and it would be full of names of people that are not very well known, that even They did not play an important role in the telenovela. I spoke with Telenovelafan215 on its discussion page, but he does not seem to agree, and says that they should be included only because they are accredited in the opening topic. What I am trying to do is to see if there is any way of ignoring this, these names of these supposedly not remarkable actors or if on the contrary they should stay there. but being sincere it seems unnecessary to include so many names in that section, since the article itself will become a long list of names, as the episodes pass, more invited actors are included.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I've asked Geraldo Perez for help, and then he mentioned this to me.

How do you think we can help?

Trying to avoid introducing names of non-notable actors in the list of invited actors. But I do not know if it would be right.

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List of Christian rock bands

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Please review recent edit summaries and the talk page for List of Christian rock bands. There are multiple problems with this article from secular artists being added (and their articles not claiming they are even Christian which doesn't automatically make them inclusive), to individual singers (solo acts) being added who are not credited as a band/group, to poor or no sourcing/cites, to basic errors with capitalization and punctuation or not correctly linking to related articles, to WG reverting productive edits yet blaming others for the mistakes, poor "definition" of what is considered Christian rock, to over-linking genres, etc. etc. Unsourced bands should be removed. It amounts to nothing more than an article of favorite bands/people even though they do not qualify. Thank you for your time.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Talk page topic and edit fixes per summaries

How do you think we can help?

remove unsourced bands and individuals or secular bands not technically "Christian rock"

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List of Christian rock bands discussion

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Talk:Vladimir Peftiev

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Anonymous users with Belarusian and Polish IP addresses have been removing properly sourced information from the article about the Belarusian oligarch Vladimir Peftiev. From their language and actions they pretty much sound like Peftiev's PR people (just like the article itself very much looks like written by his biographers).

The information being removed by the anonymous users has links to the following sources:

  • Official EU documents
  • Malta Today, one of Malta's largest newspapers
  • Wikileaks
  • France24, one of France's top media
  • Ogonyok, one of Russia's top magazines, namely an article written by late Pavel Sheremet, one of the most respected and best known journalists in the Russian-speaking world
  • Charter97, Narodnaja Vola, major independent Belarusian publications. France24 had a joint investigation with Charter97 about Peftiev which is also cited in the wikipedia article
Information of issue IS NOT properly sourced, and that seems to cause misunderstanding between parties. @Robert McClenon:, if you take a look at the article's talk, multiple users, both registered and IPs, including PhilKnigh admin, concluded that Czalex's article and sourcing represent BLP problem, Czalex is the one who doesn't care about consensus. I will now briefly describe what problems I see with Czalex's edits.
  • Exceptional claim requires exceptional, multiple sourcing. Czalex writes "He is being accused of having supported the authoritarian Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko, responsible of human rights violations" (speaking of article's subject) without providing any reference to that whatsoever. One can argue that this information may be mentioned somewhere in references, but a claim like that, which is exceptional, requires direct link to multiple reliable sources, which is not there.
This is directly being said in both the EU documents and many other of the articles referred to: Vladimir Peftiev allegedly is or was close to Alexander Lukashenka. We can't ignore that.--Czalex 22:23, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Misuse of sources is an issue. The question is, does reliability of sources correspond to seriousness of claims? Do sources have proper background of research and proper sourcing on their own? Are those sources easily verifiable? Answers are simply no. First, official EU documents are not the issue, Czalex seems to have that wrong, no one is removing them. Many of Czalex's statements link to numerous arguable reports and accuse Vladimir Peftiev of supporting human rights violations in Belarus, while The European General Court’s judgment of 9 December states that Vladimir Peftiev and his businesses are cleared of all accusations of supporting violations of human rights and backing Belorussian president Alexander Lukashenko. Czalex attempts to equalize decisions of European court and reports of arguable press, which is a problem. Second, quality of Czalex's arguable sources, which are an issue (Czalex nicely mentioned them above, minus EU papers that are not an issue). Most of them are newspapers that do not have proper recognition and weight to support claims of human rights violation, especially considering what I mentioned before. In every other aspect, Russian-language, politicized, no-name news are not a valid source for negative information on the subject. @Czalex: @PhilKnight: 93.84.50.210 (talk) 13:52, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
As you can see in this version, the anonymous sympathizers of Vladimir Peftiev have removed every information, including links to EU documents which even they don't seem question. France24, Ogonyok, Narodnaja Vola, Charter97, Malta Today are serious and respected publications, and have all the proper recognition and weight, which means that their reports must be taken into consideration. Wikileaks, where Peftiev is also mentioned, is also a serious source. Peftiev was included in the EU's sanctions lists and was accused of supporting the regime of Lukashenka; the accusations were later lifted after he won a trial. He was also accused of arms trade and was mentioned in Panama Papers and Wikileaks - these things that should be in the article. --Czalex 22:23, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
@Czalex: This is a version that was restored over again by registered users, and it includes everything about EU docs. If you feel like some EU links are missing, add them. Thing is, your edits are creating False balance of information. Conclusions of EU general court have much higher reliability and weight, and you cannot equalize opinion of EU court and opinion of questionable independent media, especially over exceptional claims such as violation of human rights and backing a dictator. Even Wikileaks, a reliable source on its own, holds lesser weight. You state that Vladimir Peftiev is being accused, while he was accused, and according to EU he is not anymore. So the end-of-day fact is no accusations. If you can't sense a difference, there is nothing that can help you maintain NPV. Getting back to quality of your sources: reliability of the source on a certain matter depends on the seriousness of a spoken matter. Something that is reliable for daily news is not reliable for serious political/criminal accusations. Here is a standard for BLP articles that was achieved through countless disputes: defamatory statements must be left out of the article unless backed by EXCEPTIONALLY reliable sources. Nothing that you present qualifies as such. 93.84.36.18 (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I have been discussing with them on the Talk page but without any will to compromise from their side

Discussion indeed took place, with everyone but Czalex agreeing that his edits should be left out of the page. Discussion included both registered and IP users in equal proportion. Consensus was achieved that Czalex is wrong, and yet he's ignored it. 93.84.50.210 (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
From the side of the unregistered users (likely acting on behalf of Peftiev given their overall contribution to Wikipedia and the nature of these contribution - which limits to trying to remove negative but properly sourced information on the issue), there have been no substantial arguments, but rather simply trying to label the respected sources (see above) as not being valid.--Czalex 22:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
@Czalex: There are more than enough arguments presented in talk from both registered and IPs, I suggest you pay closer attention. There is also plenty of arguments in current discussion. You label your sources as reliable without any attempt to prove it. Those sources are not world-credited publications and their reliability for exceptional claims is not obvious just because they were published. I also suggest your drop your empty rhetorics of users acting on behalf of the subject. 1). You have no reason to use words "likely" and "obviously" for something that is not likely or obvious, try with assuming good faith as everybody does towards you. 2). Anonymous users have reasons to remain behind IPs apart from your conspiracies. 3). If demands to remove defamatory statements comes from article's subject or representatives while properly supported with reason, it gives their arguments more weight, not less, consider that also for the future. 93.84.36.18 (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

How do you think we can help?

Restore properly sourced information, block the article from editing - at least by anonymous users

Keep discussion to a minimum until a moderator accepts the case. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Resolve issue with Czalex going against consensus and insisting on arguable and defamatory information to be presented in the article. 93.84.50.210 (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest blocking anonymous users, obviously acting on behalf Vladimir Peftiev, from editing the article about their client or boss.--Czalex 22:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
See previous section. 93.84.36.18 (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Vladimir Peftiev discussion

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  • Volunteer note - While the filing party has tried to discuss on the article talk page, I see no indication that the unregistered editors have discussed on the talk page. It does not appear that the preconditions are met for a case here. If this is a case where the unregistered editors are editing but failing to discuss, see WP:DISCFAIL. Semi-protection may be necessary as a last resort. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Keep discussion to a minimum while waiting for a moderator. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Please take a closer look at the talk page, where there are multiple both registered and IP users achieving consensus that Czalex ignored. 93.84.50.210 (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
The consensus was that we should start a dispute resolution here. No substantial discussion of the sources has taken place. It has been agreed that France24 (which states exactly the same facts as the Belarusian independent media) is an authoritative source. It is well known to any Russian speaker that Ogonyok is a proper and well known mass media and that Pavel Sheremet was a respected and well-known journalist. Same about Narodnaja Vola and Charter97, and Malta Today --Czalex 22:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
@Czalex: @Robert McClenon: A little note: consensus was that Czalex's edits must be left out and he must start a dispute if he wants them to stay. Now it's happening the way around. Users concluded that Czalex is the one who needs to prove reliability of his sources, not others to bother with proving his wrong on using questionable sources for exceptional claims. But I would rather not edit war with Czalex until dispute is resolved, so hopefully we can do that. 93.84.36.18 (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Volunteer note - I have added additional registered users to the list of users. The filing party did not list them, but they have been involved. The filing party should notify them and the unregistered editors. Participation at this noticeboard is voluntary, but notice is required. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Please add as many other experienced and unbiased users as possible - who may contribute to an objective evaluation of the situation--Czalex 22:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I can only support this. 93.84.36.18 (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Volunteer note - I added users to the list who had been involved in the discussion, because the purpose of this noticeboard is to continue previous discussion with a facilitator. However, the filing party has asked to add as many experienced and unbiased users as possible, which is not the purpose of this noticeboard. Adding as many users as possible can be done via a Request for Comments and is the purpose of a Request for Comments. Unless a reason not to do so is given within 24 hours, this thread will be closed to permit a Request for Comments to be opened. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:29, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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Talk:Jungang line

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The dispute is over the naming of pages about named railway lines - many railway lines, including all railway lines in Korea and Japan, are given names much like roads are named in Anglophone countries. Per the rules of English, all words in a proper name, such as "Sunset Boulevard", should be capitalised. However, there are some who are arguing that this is irrelevant, and that the WP MOS regarding capitalisation should trump the rules of English spelling... there are several hundred pages about named railway lines in the "XYZ Line" format, and instead of having this argument at every page, I think a dispute resolution is needed, because I don't think the two sides are ever going to come to an agreement on their own. For my part, I think the rules regarding the capitalisation of proper names should trump our (arbitrary!) style guides; those in favour of decapitalisation have thus far refused to even acknowledge the possibility that railway lines can be named as streets etc. are.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I've tried to explain the fact, numerous times in numerous ways, that these names like "Jungang Line" are proper names in the same way that "Sunset Boulevard" is a proper name; these explanations have for the most part been ignored with "MOS" being cited as being more important than anything else.

How do you think we can help?

I think the only possibility for a resolution to happen here, and to avoid this argument being repeated every time a proposal is made to move a page (there are hundreds of pages about named railway lines), is for a decision to be made by people not already involved in the debate.

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Talk:Jungang line discussion

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  • Volunteer note - The filing editor writes: "I think the only possibility for a resolution to happen here, and to avoid this argument being repeated every time a proposal is made to move a page (there are hundreds of pages about named railway lines), is for a decision to be made by people not already involved in the debate." Having a decision made by people not already involved in the debate isn't the purpose of this noticeboard. It is the purpose of a Request for Comments. Also, having a decision made that applies to future articles as well as to the article in question isn't the purpose of this noticeboard. It can be done by a paragraph in the Manual of Style, which is done by a Request for Comments. Unless some other reason is given within 24 hours, this thread will be closed to permit a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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Talk:Fantasma (Cornelius album)#Microdisney

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1. Almost all of the tracks on the album Fantasma are named after existing bands (sourced)

2. One of them is called "The Micro Disneycal World Tour" (sourced in liner notes)

3. One of the album's contributors is Sean O'Hagan, who offered a remix of "The Micro Disneycal World Tour" (sourced in liner notes)

4. O'Hagan was a member of a group called Microdisney (sourced)

If I try to add point #4 to the article, the other editor instantly removes it, calling it "original research". See this diff

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

none

How do you think we can help?

Determine: 1. whether it's original research to note a band that an individual musician hails from (with refs) 2. whether it's encyclopedic to note that O'Hagan was in a band called Microdisney, given the nature of the album's track titles

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Talk:Fantasma (Cornelius album)#Microdisney discussion

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 Done I reached out to the music Wikiproject and got a 3rd opinion who agreed that the info wasn't synthesized.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario discusi%C3%B3n:Edugraph

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Please read my page, Edugraph, for details. I feel that I'm being bullied by editors when talking about the Venezuelan president candidate Javier Bertucci. These user are involved in authoritative measures instead of embracing healthy logical discussions.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I wrote on my own page to start discussion. I tried to write in their pages, but they blocked me

How do you think we can help?

By bringing more editors that can argued logical arguments by reading the history of editing on my own page and recommend a solution.

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Talk:Aleksa Šantić

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Editor Surtsicna insists that Aleksa Šantić should be described as "Yugoslav poet". They justified their position and consequent edits with consensus reached at talkpage and wikipedia guidelines Multiple other editors, in fact all editors who participated in discussion at talkpage, disagreed with Surtsicna and describing Šantić as Yugoslav poet pointing that there is actually no consensus for their position (on the contrary) and that wikipedia guidelines actually do not support their position.


Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Discussion at talkpage and at talkpage of admin who blocked Surtsicna recently.

How do you think we can help?

I would appreciate if somebody uninvolved would be so kind to close discussion about the lede at above talkpage with conclusion if Surtsicna managed to gain consensus for their "Yugoslav poet" position and consequent edits or not.

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Talk:Aleksa Šantić discussion

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Okay. I will try to act as the moderator. Please read the rules and follow them. I haven't deep-dived into the history of this dispute; I expect the participants to explain the facts to me. Will each editor please state, in one paragraph, what they think needs to be done to improve the article, or alternatively what they think needs to be left as is in the article? The issue is only improvement of the article (or leaving it alone), not the other editors. Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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The first sentence is very important in every article. This article presents Aleksa Šantić as "Yugoslav poet". I think that multiple editors reached consensus that it is wrong and explained why on article talkpage. Therefore it is necessary to respect consensus and remove word "Yugoslav". The text of the first sentence should be grounded in wikipedia consensus, which is not the case with "Yugoslav" version..--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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It is true that the first sentence, the lede, is important, and normally defined among other things the ethnicity or nationality of the subject. The nationality of Yugoslav didn't exist during his lifetime (only the pan-ethnic dream of unity of the South Slavs, a dream that he held). Should the lede describe him as a a Herzogivinian Serb poet? Either we can agree on some characterization of either his nationality or his ethnicity, or we can use a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:39, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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Until the consensus is reached what is correct characterization (trough RfC or some other way), it would be good to close discussion at article's talkpage and remove wrong characterization (Yugoslav).--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario discusi%C3%B3n:Edugraph

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Bullying case from a group in Wikipedia ES (Spanish) in editing articles related to the Venezuelan presidential candidate Javier Bertucci / And the Wikipedia ES does not have a Dispute resolution noticeboard

Respectfully, I have to contact a Wikipedia administrator, because I noticed a bullying on Wikipedia ES. The pages involve are in Spanish, but I'm adding translations Link. Here was what I wrote to the user in his English Common page (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Taichi), he blocked me Spanish page and I couldn't talk in his Spanish page because he put in place restrictions such as blocking me or requesting more than 50 edits to edit in his page. Please read his discussion page that will direct you to the other pages with translations in English. I can explain more as you request it from me. Thanks

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Emeal some members but they haven't answered

How do you think we can help?

To aneble a Dispute resolution noticeboard in Spanish

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Talk:Fantastic Mr._Fox_(film)#Cast_and_plot

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Have you discussed this on a talk page?

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Dispute over plot and cast/character details.

P.S. If I have added too little info to start on then I am sorry about that.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

We discussed this matter between the 26/2/2018 (Using day/month/year) and 8/3/2018 (likewise in the same format- no rudeness meant there) but since then we have not reached any further resolution than where things currently stand. I have tried to take into account the points of the others (notably 2668 bytes worth of disputed content was reduced to at most 683 bytes worth i.e. only 683 bytes worth of content is still being disputed) but as of the 12/3/2018 I am still confused of what is wrong.

How do you think we can help?

I understand that this is not a way to force anybody to do anything but if it could be encouraged but not compelled to get the other editors to explain what they are still concerned about where things currently stand, it would help greatly. If not at least get the opinions of others as to who is in the right which may help resolve the matter.

P.S. Not trying to force the other editors to say that I am in the right here.

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