Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liam Ó Buachalla (historian)

Liam Ó Buachalla (historian)

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One group of articles on local history is not enough to meet WP:PROF,andthe other sources are not enough to meet GNG DGG ( talk ) 07:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's a sad case when "notability" is immediately obvious to all scholars in the field but it's very hard to prove by wiki standards.

First, it's not "local" history: Munster was one of the four provinces of Medieval Ireland so history of Munster is as important as e.g. history of Wessex or Mercia.

Second, I must again stress that his articles are quoted as a major contribution to the subject in all standard works starting with Irish Kings and High-Kings by Francis John Byrne: "the Early history of Munster has been treated by Liam O Buachalla" (p. 315). Byrne does not state that it's excellent or whatever, but this supposes that this is an important general work on Munster since he doesn't quote any other articles on early history of the province (other quotations are from editions of sources, an article on law-tracts and later (post-Viking) history). Donnchadh O Corrain in ‘A hand-list of publications on early Irish History’ states the following: "The early history of Munster is the subject of a series of papers by the late Liam O Buachalla in Cork Hist. Soc. Jn. 56 (1951) 87-90; 57 (1952) 67-86; 59 (1954) 111-26; 61 (1956) 89-102. While paying tribute to O Buachalla's pioneering work, one must observe that his treatment of the very early period now requires revision for the Eoganacht kingship of Munster was neither as early or as exclusive as their political propagandists might lead one to believe". While O Corrain admits that O Buachalla's view is too straightforward, the Munster articles are still quoted approvingly in Thomas Charles-Edwards' Early Chiristian Ireland (2000). Pádraig Ó Riain in his book on St Finbarr of Cork (1997) amply quotes O Buachalla's unpublished article, that confirms that his work was still an important contribution 30 years after his death.

The problem with all this that all his articles were published in JCHAS and were basically unavailable to scholars outside Ireland before JCHAS was online (it happened less than 2 years ago). Lantse (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]