Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liero (2nd nomination)

Liero

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I used to play this game a lot with my brother in the early 2000s, and it has a great nostalgic value to me. However, even I have to face the fact that there appears to be scant reliable sources about this game.

The current sources include: wikis, self-published sources, unreliable reviews, and a bunch of dead links.

I tried to search for additional sources and was unable to come up with anything.

It's time to have a discussion about this game. :) Coin945 (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:59, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Oh my! Good ol' Liero. I found a couple of pretty reliable sources mentioning it in passing at least:
- https://www.aamulehti.fi/kulttuuri/muistatko-viela-nama-suomalaiset-klassikkopelit-nama-100-paasevat-tampereen-tulevaan-pelimuseoon-24144926/
  - Strong keep it was chosen as one of 100 significant Finnish games for the opening of the Finnish Museum of Games, how shoudl the game gather more relevancy?
- https://www.pelit.fi/artikkelit/16261/
- https://books.google.ch/books?id=wplcAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT41&dq=suomen+pelit+liero&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLqves6uHZAhVSVWMKHWHMD7wQ6AEINjAC#v=onepage&q=suomen%20pelit%20liero&f=false
- http://vapriikki.fi/pelimuseo-2/pelit/
Most likely the following would also mention it if a copy could be found/borrowed?
- https://books.google.ch/books?id=T1tiCQAAQBAJ
- https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinivalkoinen_pelikirja

Manelolo (talk) 13:19, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I want to add some sources here that I have found - it is strange to me that the game is so popular while it seems very hard to locate adequate sourcing. Due to that paradox I spent a bit of time digging deeper to find bits and pieces. Not sure if it's enough just yet.--Coin945 (talk) 14:36, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- https://www.cnews.cz/hra-liero-zabij-cerva-plamenometem-ci-kyselinou-nostalgie/
- https://www.root.cz/clanky/historie-vyvoje-pocitacovych-her-58-cast-hra-liero-a-jeji-klony/
- Small mention in book
- http://www.chip.de/downloads/Liero_74852703.html
- A passage about the game physics of Liero on page 306
- Inspired Noita and kugeln.io
- An indie game before the term "indie game" existed
- Mobygames lists 5 reviews, all of which I believe are unreliable
  - beside the questionable terminology and hysterical overfocus on binary "reliability" in general, it is a shame that we still have no gamehippo article, considering its impact in its prime years. Shaddim (talk) 11:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
keep: influential game with long history and many reliable sources (many paper which are hard to locate) Shaddim (talk) 15:15, 10 March 2018 (UTC) PS: about dead links, these are no reason for questipning the game or these now dead but still valid sources. Also, please check the Internet archive for mementos of them[reply]
- - It seems unlikely for a 1998 freeware game to have lots of print sources.--Coin945 (talk) 23:14, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - the print magazines of the yesteryears hat regularly columns of free games. I would be surprised if it would not been covered in multiple magazines worldwide and also included on coverdiscs and compilatiosn. Shaddim (talk) 11:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Info: FYI, ran InternetArchiveBot on the article and it rescued 16 web sources from the archive so should help verifiablity. Manelolo (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Appears the nom wanted cleanup. Szzuk (talk) 20:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]