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A typo in the "Coaches" section; "Allen is also has the most wins in Kansas basketball history at 590." 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wakuran: Oops that's my fault. I'm the one that added that part in there. I orginally intended to say "Allen is also the winngest coach......." and changed my mind at the last minute to say "Allen has the most wins..." but forgot to proofread it first.--Rockchalk717 08:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"Rank in notable areas" updates

Rank in notable areas needs to be brought current. Some stats appear to not be current (2014-'15), others through 2016-'17 season, and others include 2017-'18. As the stats pull from many different sources, I suggest four update notations on the end due to when they end and ease of tabulating so it is clear how current respective areas are.

  • "All-Time win and NCAA Tournament stats updated through (20##-'##) season" after the NCAA tournament
  • "Conference stats updated through (20##-'##) season" at the end of the regular season.
  • "AP stats updated through (20##-'##) season" after the final AP ranking for the season.
  • "Season and All-American stats updated through (20##-'##) season"

Or perhaps

  • "Rank and stats updated through season: All-Time win and NCAA Tournament (20##-'##), Conference (20##-'##), AP Poll (20##-'##), Season record totals (20##-'##), All-American (20##-'##)"

Also, much of the NCAA records could possibly be removed as it is appears in Rank in notable areas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.127.236.195 (talk) 00:05, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament Seeding History

I updated the overly wide Tournament Seeding History from just one long string which required horizontal scrolling into 20-year blocks that fit into the page width starting with 1981, including years Kansas missed the tournament (you take the bad with the good, not omitting years to give the false impression of an unbroken streak), which also aligns the years facilitating locating a particular year. Among other reversions, Rockchalk717 who has a history with 3RR wrote "No you do not.", and consistently, unconstructively reverts edits regarding the start of tournament seeding for all teams. Seeding all teams as used today and in the list started in 1979, not 1978 (as he keeps changing it too) where instead automatic "Q"ualifiers and at-"L"arge teams were seeded separately which is not what the list reflects. A note is needed to account for 1979 and 1980 not being in the table (a short one at that), or one could add them but at the loss of visual continuity. Another option would be to switch to multi-column list, but I stuck with the established table. Since Rockchalk717 has not constructively addressed this in his edit comments which are often blank or non-responsive (a form of edit warring), I've started this section in hopes he or others are more constructive. 76.92.195.32 (talk) 22:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is edit warring but you. I have reached out on the talkpages of the IP's you have used in order to discuss this issue, and you have ignored my posts. I want to discuss this issue but you continued to revert instead of discussing the issue. Regarding the edit summary comment, almost every single time I reverted i had an edit summary. I only stopped after I had gotten frustrated with you making zero attempts to discuss the issue.
Now to actually discussing the issue, while the seeding format has changed, seeding still began in 1978. Now if you want to word it something like "Seeding began in 1978, however the current seeding format began in 1979" I'm ok with that. Second, there is no purpose to listing seasons they missed the tournament or even mentioning. This table serves one purpose, for readers to easily see what seed they have been in each tournament appearance, including years they missed in the table defeats that purpose.--Rockchalk717 17:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally since you seem to be using multiple devices to edit since I've seen you edit from 3 different IP addresses now, I strongly recommend creating an account so it's easier to get in touch with you when there is a content dispute.--Rockchalk717 17:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea who you (think) you are making such false statements and adopting such a tone with your edits and apparently posting on other talk pages trying to hide your being in the minority. Such tactics are highly unconstructive and warring-some on your part.

Seeding for all teams (as we know it today) did in fact start in 1979. In 1978 there was some seeding separately among "Q" and "L" teams as I noted above. The year are part of a "wikitable" (look at the code) not a list, and as such tables do not drop a row or column simply because a cell has no entry or is blank (e.g. diagonal on mileage between cities tables). 76.92.195.32 (talk) 00:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let's put the edit war behind us, we both are guilty of it, and work towards a consensus we can agree on. Bickering back and forth will get us nowhere. Seeding has existed since 1978 regardless of the format changing or not. That's why I think it should be mentioned separately that the format changed in 1979 but its existed since 1978. Or even simply word it, "The current seeding format began in 1979". Saying seeding began in 1979 isn't technically true even if the format was a little strange in 1978.--Rockchalk717 16:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have undone your attempt to hide or close this by adding "÷←" to the header NCAA Tournament seeding history so it would not appear in the table of contents, and then revert my edits for the Nth time. You also falsely misrepresent my edit in your comments leaving out that it was "The NCAA started seeding all teams in 1979" unlike in 1978 when there were eight #1 seeds, 4 "Q" and 4 "L". Saying it began for "all teams" (rather than among auto-qualified and at-large respectively) is in fact true. Further, the section is titled "NCAA Tournament seeding history" and history does not skip years. A year they did not appear is still history and just as relevant as one where they did, same as 0 is still a number. 76.92.195.32 (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the plus sign and equal sign, that was an accident. Your unwillingness to comprise is getting irritating. I have come up with a solution for our debate on the seeds that satisfies what we both want said and you have failed to work with me to come to an agreement. Regarding your comment about tournament seeding history, the pages for Louisville, Kentucky, Michigan State, Duke, Indiana, UConn, Villanova, Cincinnati, and NC State ALL have the years they missed omitted. So why should this page be any different??--Rockchalk717 22:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Michigan Wolverines men's basketball is one team page that is currently listed as a GA. I'd follow that as an example, and it does not list the years that they were not in the tournament. That seems to be consistent with most pages. Mjs32193 (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@76.92.195.32: Because a basketball team page that's a good article says 1979 I'll concede the 1979 part. Considering that article as well as the ones I've listed omit the years they did not make it, it seems a consensus has already been made.--Rockchalk717 00:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was a "÷←" not a "plus sign and equal sign". Second, those pages also use 1979 as the first year for seeding and the "1979" link on the Kansas page leads to the NCAA tournament seeding section which goes into more detail regarding the NCAA's use of seeding in 1978 and 1979 with links to the respective tournaments for more detail. Third, consensus has not been made regarding applicability, only that some other pages omit years, but it would be a fallacy to assume a mistake elsewhere should be the norm, or conversely that an edit that is more appropriate on one page would lead to upgrading others. Lastly, as it is a "table" and not a "list", it is inclusive by nature, not exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.92.195.32 (talk) 00:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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