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RussArt.com

One of many Netflix clone sites. There is nothing particularly notable about this one. Was speedy deleted under A7, but its creator objected, and I felt that in the interest of fairness, we might as well open this up for debate: the fact that they specialize in Russian movies is something unique, enough to pass A7. But I still don't see notability to the level of WP:WEB here. Mangojuicetalk 18:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Even though it utilizes the same Netflix business model (with some deviation, like "express" service), it deliberately avoids the Netflix content, trying to position itself as a mutual exclusive company content wise.

    I am using both companies for my "movies" needs, just because of the unique RussArt.com content. For more then 6 million Russian speaking people in US, RussArt.com is really a one of the few threads which they can use to preserve their culture.

    RussArt also provides with extensive info about movies/TV serials which help to make a decision what to order next.

    I am actually looking for another site like RussArt.com, but dedicated to exclusevly French movies, since Netflix does not satisfy my demand on them either, but cannot find it just yet....

    --Bakhteiarov 19:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep To me it is very offensive that a mass culture giant Netflix dealing 90% in Hollywood production, shields honorable attempts to compete in cultural niches. Let's take a hypothetical site that, say, rents gay and lesbian movies. Well, Netflix does carry the Brokeback Mountain, so let's ban the site from everywhere because it's just another copycat. That's a poor approach, missing the points: (1) the gay and lesbian community is proud to have their own service, (2) there is much more for the visitors than just rentals - like gay and lesbian news, events, movie reviews from particular angle, etc.

      I vote for diversity - let's allow the Russian/Ukranian/Jewish/etc. American community to have their cinema portal RussArt.com, which also happens to rent DVDs like Netflix does, - listed.

      Helgrot 03:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Helgrot (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.[reply]

  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't see this passing WP:WEB at present. No coverage in reliable sources. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It passes WP:WEB. The Internet Movie Database and Google are pretty reliable sources. There more then several references from both of them. Also, over 6 million people culture in the US is pretty notable. Especially if you take into account that this culture influences the World's one very much. Should I present a list of movie producers/composers/musicians/artists/authors here for those who is unaware? --Bakhteiarov 13:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please, explain me what the difference in notability with SmartFlix and RussArt.com, for instance? --Bakhteiarov 14:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I was interested in the subject and was able to find it on the Web easily. Google Video and IMDB look like quite reliable sources to me. Helgrot 15:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • Delete (I originally speedied the article); fails WP:WEB and WP:V. NawlinWiki 15:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not voting second time, I'm just offering more information. You guys might not read Russian and in such case it's hard for you to see what I see. I spent some time on this site and see that DVD rentals is just a small part of it. It offers public forum, where anyone can contribute content, post reviews and comments. It has online games, challenging knowledge on russisn cinema and actors. It has tons of news articles about movies and actors, including biographies and anecdotes. So I'd qualify it at least 50% as a cultural hub. Helgrot 15:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • Sorry, I need to repeat this, since everybody decide not pay attention to this, - Please, explain me what's the difference in notability between SmartFlix and RussArt.com, for instance? --Bakhteiarov 15:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comrade Bakhteiarov: looks like they are against cultural diversity here. Isn't it illegal in the US? Shall we fetch a good lawyer from the great Russian American community and see what we can do this way? Helgrot 15:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • No, it is about their notability, so far I have not seen here a single Russian-speaking editor, so they just do not notice this....but lot's of Russians who live in US do! --Bakhteiarov 15:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. It just doesn't meet notability; all other discussion is irrelevant if you can't get past WP:N. --Aaron 17:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi all. Ok, here is the thing. I'm Russian living in US for the past 10 years. I moved to US when I was 14. Even though, I speak, read and write almost perfectly in my native language, sometimes I come accross words that I never heard before. Believe it or not, when I search Google for the newly heard word, it often displays Wikepedia's page in the first few results. For the past month, it helped me learn 3 new words in my native language. Deleting this content would be a huge mistake. Thank you. 22:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)~ Dmitriy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.188.33.222 (talk • contribs)
Well, apparently you mean Netflix not RussArt.com here, since RussArt.com does not carry a single Indian movie. So, your comment looks more then a strange one to me.--User:Bakhteiarov 14:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is what I said. I have rented literally hundreds of Indian movies from Netflix, thus I am inclined to doubt Helgrot's claim above that 90% of the movies that Netflix carries are Hollywood productions. It doesn't really have any bearing on this AfD discussion, it just struck me as being a strange and unlikely claim. ergot 14:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am Netflix customer too, but I am a customer of RussArt either, do you think it is because I have spare $20 a month? If you are unable to verify the facts, please do not comment, but you have decided to vote even! --Bakhteiarov 15:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? I said that the article fails WP:WEB, WP:RS, and WP:V, which is all that matters here. ergot 15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For billions, Bollywood is not notable. Notability is very subjective matter.--Bakhteiarov 11:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so now you're saying that we should delete the Bollywood article? What does that have to do with anything? If you want to try to get that deleted, go nominate it and see how it goes. What we are talking about here is RussArt.com, which doesn't meet our criteria for inclusion and should be deleted as such. As a matter of fact, it probably could have been speedied under CSD G11, which we have recently been directed by the Wikimedia Foundation to vigilantly enforce. ergot 15:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, exactly. I (and billions other people) think Bollywood is not notable. Existence of the article like Bollywood emphasizes the fact that Wikipedia article admission process is far from perfect. And I would move Bollywood article to indian Wikipedia.--66.189.88.27 20:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So do like I suggested and go nominate it for deletion. I would also suggest that you take a look at our criteria for notability. But what we are discussing here is RussArt.com. ergot 00:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This human admin system does not look sustainable to me, number of new articles grows in geometric progression, admins are not able to catch everything up even today. --Bakhteiarov 02:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - do not see anything encyclopedic about this. It is good comercial service catering to Russian speaking movielovers in continental US, but I do not think this is a reason enough for an article. There is nothing special or unique about it except for the large specialised collection of the DVDs that are crossreferenced with actors/movies database. The bisness model isn't unique, and for info on movies/actors one usually goes to specialized Russian sites like http://www.rusactors.ru, http://www.ruskino.ru/, http://www.kinoexpert.ru as well as for authoritive resources in the RUNET or Wikipeia itself Актёры СССР, Актрисы СССР, Актёры России, Кинематограф России and such — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmaryakh (talk • contribs) 02:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
    • Note: Dmaryakh's original Russian text were all redlinks to the English Wikipedia; only the last exists on the Russion Wikipedia, and is the article for "Cinema of Russia". Vectro 15:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just wanted to point to the previous note that the topic under which RussArt.com is being published is called "List of online DVD rental companies" and has nothing to do with general encyclopedic content about Russian cinema. Helgrot 04:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • Keep I've read about it on a forum and was curious enough to follow the link. I tend to agree with the previous voter. 216.88.134.61 21:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
    • This user seems to be responding to this canvassing request. Interestingly, the comments on the forum are mostly in favor of (or indifferent to) deletion. Vectro 22:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Well, despite the title of this thread, they don't ask for our vote, they ask for well-thought arguments, and mainly, they want YOU to cite sources to satisfy their criteria. Good luck!" -- Solominka.
      • "Коммерция, однака... Ежели бы Вы художникам помогали... А так... Свой бизнесс делаете... Нет, не буду голосовать... Платное искусство в массы?" by mastadont, which babelfish translates to "Commerce, odnaka... If you helped artists... But so... Your bizness you make... No, not I will vote... Paid skill into the masses?"
    • More notes about canvassing: The canvasser appears to be Helgrot (talk · contribs); I have placed evidence on his/her talk page, and the associated profile of the canvasser suggests that s/he is affiliated with RussArt.com. Vectro 22:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Russian speaking people in US is a tiny slice of population (~ 2.6%), so social clubs and services for these people are barely notable in american society, meaning they just cannot be as notable as, say Netflix. Having said this, it is still 6-7 millions, which is a size of some European country. Notability notion, here, materializes a simplified democratic principle, - "the size does matter" and that the majority defines the ultimate truth, a.k.a. consensus. As related to RussArt.com article, - I am satisfied with the discussion and as long as "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL" in the List of online DVD rental companies on Wikipedia, - we are in a concensus here :-). Thanks.

--Bakhteiarov 11:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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