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listing of injured victims

(edited) Since these are living persons, I am not sure we really have their consent to list their names. After all, they do not qualify for a Wikipedia article on their own. Is listing their names critical to the article? Does anyone know about precedent and policy for this? Alaney2k (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We certainly do not require anyone's "consent" to publish their name in Wikipedia. The question is, rather, whether they are sufficiently notable to warrant their names being published, and whether the names add anything to the readers' understanding of the topic. WWGB (talk) 14:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We require public domain for photos. It's not much different. We shouldn't list names indiscriminately. I don't think the list of names adds anything. Alaney2k (talk) 04:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's necessary to list the names of the injured. Dalek Monty (talk)£ —Preceding undated comment added 11:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is not important to name those who are injured, unless they are notable themselves outside of the incident. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 12:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Names are very much different from photos, and are all "public domain" in a sense. If copyright was a thing, it'd belong to the parents. That aside, injured names are different from dead names; important to know who the world lost in an event, not so much to know who's hurt. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:55, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I've re-organized the section so that the victim names are more prominent than the injured. // sikander { talk } 15:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like the simple sentence for the injured (if we're to ignore the early consensus for removing them entirely). I don't care for the dead in a table, though. Rather a bulleted list. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:19, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of Armenian Community group statement of condolences in the "Reactions"

At the bottom of a long NationalPost.ca article, there was a message, or statement, expressing condolences on behalf of the Armenian Community in Toronto. It should be included in the reaction section, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.161.160.80 (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. We don't list simple expressing of condolences or other routine reactions from almost everyone. I'm not even sure that Trump and Macron should be there as they have nothing to do with a domestic incident in Canada. Thryduulf (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

4chan:

The media is saying it's an incel hub, but the r9k board does not use that term. They call themselves "robots" (after "Robot 9000"). "Incel" is a term that was popularized on Reddit and seems to have its home there. And 4channers tend to have hostility towards Reddit in general. This seems to be the media being sloppy, and not understanding the nuances of online communities. Which is pretty typical and common. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a simple synonym to me. Robots don't have sex and rarely run amok, as do "incels", "betas" or what we used to call "freaks" and "geeks" before mainstream Internet porn culture "owned" those terms. We should only be careful about saying which circles use which terms, not which term we choose to use.

And yes, there can only be one; if we start mixing incels, betas and robots, our oddly-devoted and highly-diverse fanbase will (generally) get confused. Maybe a footnote with synonyms in it, if we're to use one term repeatedly here? InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I've never heard of people calling themselves robots, but I've heard men who aren't incels self-identify as beta males or betas. Jim Michael (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Robots" is entirely a term for people who post on r9k, to be used when addressing other people who post on r9k. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So that explains why the media didn't call the incels amongst the weebs, virgins, autists, NEETs, betas, clinically depressed nerds, shut ins and wizards there that. Not about sloppiness, but posting elsewhere for other people. If betas have sex lately, we shouldn't say "beta", either. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:54, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Some people fit into more than one of those terms, but none of them means incel. Jim Michael (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't mean to imply they do. More meant to suggest "robots" are a motley crew. If we're talking purely about the incels among the robots, best to call them "incels". InedibleHulk (talk) 21:39, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

Just got around to clicking the citation and see it simply lists this forum as one of three. Probably undue to arbitrarily pick one, and beyond our scope to list everywhere incels go. Would anybody miss this tidbit if it were deleted? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:12, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Thornlea school is in a prominently Jewish area

The fact of the matter of the Thorn Hill high-school attended by the defendant Minassian is entirely relevent to the identity dynamics of the case. Whoever said its irrelevent probably didn`t go to school, have a first kiss on a first date, or otherwise learn how to "fit in". It is a well known fact, supported or unsupported, that Thorn Hill is a predominantly Jewish area of Ontario. The demographic of, oh, say, Old Colony Rd. in North York is obviously different to that of Thorn Hill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.161.151.172 (talk) 13:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your text was reverted for two reasons. You need to have a reliable source, for example a newspaper reference to include text in Wikipedia. Secondly, your text did not make it clear what relevance it had on Minassian or the van attack. That's why your text is basically irrelevant. You might as well have said that he had a mole on his face. Without any context, it's of no use to anyone. Alaney2k (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That would be Alaney2k`s PERCEPTION of what is relevant; by that logic, the entire INCEL banter as well as the defendant being of The Toronto Armenian Community. Agenda or perception is entirely relative, but both the fact that the dude went to a predominantly Jewish high-school (a lot of life-changing events happen in high-school|fact) and the fact that the dude is listed as in the Armenian Community are even MORE PERTANENT than having visited an online community once. Its like people go to school EVERY day dude, and Church or Temple or wherever are like WEEKLY, right? How do you not get that? The context is there, its simply not on your agenda to find it. Please be more constructive in future. Meaow126.161.151.172 (talk) 15:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]