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Lead paragraph

After some thought, I've revised the lead paragraph. The main issue here is the use of citations for the summary of views on "Dark Alliance." The original summary was in the last paragraph of the lead section. This was deleted several months ago by an anonymous IP editor, apparently because it was unsourced. A new summary paragaph was later added, with citations to a number of sources, some used in the main body of the article, some not. WP:LEADCITE makes clear that citations in the lead are acceptable, but it was not clear to me what part of the sources now cited support what part of the summary. As an alternative, I've simplified the summary and sourced it to the sections in the article, as I did for Webb's suicide. I'm open to other solutions, but the internal consistency of the article is important. Rgr09 (talk) 01:59, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection?

Considering the fact unregistered users keep messing with the page as far as the suicide goes.....does anyone think we ought to have the page protected?Rja13ww33 (talk) 00:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rgr09: @Location: - To those I pinged, what do you think? We just had another anonymous user mess with the suicide aspect of the article today. Would protection/semi-protection be an answer to the on-going issues with this? Thanks.Rja13ww33 (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

True, the article has had frequent suicide -> murder edits this year: 3 in January, 2 in February, 6 in March, 2 in May, 1 so far in July. I don't know what to do about this. It's an ongoing, long term issue, but generally wikipedia doesn't want to do long term page protection (WP:PP). Maybe WP:PC, "sometimes favoured when an article is being vandalised regularly, but otherwise receives a low amount of editing." Rgr09 (talk) 03:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide in the lead again

The issue of how to refer to Webb's death has come up yet again. The lead was changed to add the following sentence: On December 10, 2004, Webb was found dead in his apartment shoot twice in the head. His death was ruled a suicide.

Exactly this sort of change was the subject of a long discussion above. Webb's death was a suicide. The fact that he shot himself in the face twice is already referenced in the article two times: in the infobox, and in the article under the section on Webb's death. Some editors feel this is not enough, and that it should be mentioned a third time, as prominently as possible, preferably in the lead. This is undue weight, and I've reverted such changes more than once. If you disagree, please discuss your concerns here first, rather than just adding the same disputed content again. And again... Rgr09 (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"death was a suicide" and "was ruled a suicide" is a huge difference. Either it was proven a suicide, as in the lead, or it "was ruled a suicide" as written in the Death section. Which is it going to be? --Hoffmansk 16:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoffmansk (talk • contribs)

What do you feel is the difference between these two? I am especially unclear what you mean by "proven a suicide." The lead does not use the phrase "proven", but it does take Webb's death to be a suicide. I do not see how this contradicts the description in the Death section. Rgr09 (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]