Talk:German retribution against Poles who helped Jews

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36 Poles died because they saved Karski

http://twojsacz.pl/28-lipca-1940-akcja-szpital/

Poles died not only because they helped Jews but also because they collected data about the Holocaust and transferred it to London. Polish people who cooperated with Sugihara also died, at least one of them killed by NKVD, the majority of them by Nazis. Zofia Kossak survived Auschwitz, Sławik's wife - Ravensbrück.Xx236 (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The page lists Sławik, but not his wife and doesn't list Zofia Kossak.Xx236 (talk) 06:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming

This article should be renamed to reflect proper English. Two changes are needed:

"repressions" should become "retribution" (I've just done that).
The title should be prefixed by "during the Holocaust".

I'm raising it here because the second change would make he title fairly long. Suggestions? François Robere (talk) 16:25, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of repression should be replaced by Examples of retribution?Xx236 (talk) 06:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. François Robere (talk) 08:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why is retribution better than repression? Ping User:Nihil novi, whom I always defer to when it comes to such nuances in English. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising the question.

"Retribution" is punishment (sometimes with a religious coloring).

"Repression" is a restraining or subduing.

This article on World War II "German retribution [or, as it originally read, repression] against Poles who helped Jews" discusses punishments meted out by the Germans during World War II to Poles who helped Jews. But those punishments were in the broader service of discouraging Poles from providing such help in the first place (though the Germans doubtless also welcomed, in the process, opportunities to rid the occupied Polish lands of some of their ethnically-Polish denizens); in other words, in the service of repressing Polish impulses to help the persecuted Jews.

The article discusses not only punishments but also other means of preventing Poles from helping Jews, including propaganda designed to prejudice Poles against Jews.

Thus "repression" subsumes "retribution" as one of a number of approaches to discouraging ethnic Poles from helping Jews, and would therefore seem the more appropriate term.

This article is an 11 March 2018 translation of the corresponding Polish Wikipedia article, "Niemieckie represje wobec Polaków pomagających Żydom", in which "represje" appears in the plural ("repressions"—that is, processes or means of reprisal).

Factoring in the article's original Polish authors' intent and the present English-language article's contents, a more felicitous title might be "World War II German repression of Polish help to Jews".

The article itself reads as though it had been translated by either a computer or a non-English-speaking human and would require a thorough copy-editing to make it properly legible.

Thanks.

Nihil novi (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"World War II German repression of Polish help to Jews" seems to be better fitting and reflects the article itself much better.GizzyCatBella (talk) 10:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of retribution

The examples should be divided into GG, GG dominated by Ukrainians, and annexed lands (Dzwonowice). Each area was different. Xx236 (talk) 11:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Concur, where applicable. Nihil novi (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UNDUE coverage of FRINGE SPS in our article

@GizzyCatBella: - the following beyond being sourced to what doesn't appear to be a RS (a communique of a regional office), contains a mention of Poray (and savingjews.org) in a footnote. Poray herself wasn't published in a reliable venue (running her personal website and publishing it later as a self-published book). Inclusion of this WP:FRINGE work in our article is WP:UNDUE.Icewhiz (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]