Talk:Carnelian

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Infamous

Infamous: ill-famed: having an exceedingly bad reputation; "a notorious gangster"; "the tenderloin district was notorious for vice"

Source: wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

It really makes no sense to refer to Japanese artist CARNELIAN as being "infamous". I believe this was a mistake and corrected it.

illustration

Isn't this illustration really wrong, this is a mineral and the picture is not of the mineral, just a seal impression of a seal made of that mineral.Moheroy 02:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carnelian is an uncommon gemstone. remember that there is the gemology world out there as well, and this article just as well applies to gems as to minerals. You are looking at the article from ONE POV. SauliH 16:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RGB for Carnelian Red

Is an RGB value (#B31B1B) for carnelian red appropriate here? Aintaer 06:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Please can someone give an idea of size, such as a scale bar. This is very basic stuff. Not including these is bad practice and makes the images of very little value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.64.39 (talk • contribs)

I have answered here. Best regards Rhanyeia 12:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hokey etymology

Hey guys - this bit seems hokey:

"Carnelian, sometimes spelled cornelian, is a red or reddish-brown variant of chalcedony. The word is derived from the Latin word meaning horn, in reference to the flesh color sometimes exhibited."

Two different etymologies have been spliced together here, resulting in a non sequitur. The first spelling, carnelian, suggests "flesh" (as in *carn*ivore). The second, cornelian, suggests "horn" (as in uni*corn*). Both are perfectly plausible theories, but I don't see how the word can be derived from both simultaneously (i.e., "from the Latin word meaning horn, in reference to the flesh color"). Or am I being dumb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.195.144 (talk) 16:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First use of carnelian

I believe it was mined and/or used by steppe peoples before 1800 BCE, the date given here. See David Anthony's ~The Horse, The Wheel, and Language~, but I can't find the precise reference.

Hackley

What does Hackley mean? I looked at the images and I am guessing that it refers to the black veins that seem more pronounced. Yet, I searched via google and could not find a definition for the word "Hackley" except that some university uses it as their name. Thank you very much for your time, and energy.

--Spike (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the problem is you are using the worng spelling, the correct term is "hackly" without the "e". the definition is: A type of fracture resembling broken metal, exhibiting sharp, jagged surfaces.--Kevmin (talk) 21:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hackly fracture - jagged fracture with sharp edges, from Klein & Hurlbut, Manual of Mineralogy 20th ed, p.202. I assume the old 11th ed Britanica used the "ey" spelling. Vsmith (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure this isn't a WP:ENGVAR difference, or just an alternate spelling. Google/Books/Scholar show recent technical uses of both spellings. Johnbod (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Persian

Although the ancient historical records are compelling and encyclopedia Britannica does say that, the Persian dictionaries I looked at say sered means -" cold sered - سرد " Does anyone have an additional source that confirms sered also means yellowish red - at least in old Persian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.179.151 (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

digging a lot more, I found these similar words for sard that mean red in other languages on wikipedia -

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sarkans Derived from a dialectal adjective sarks (“red, pink”), from Proto-Baltic *sark- (whence also sarkt (“to blush”), from Proto-Indo-European *ser-, *sar- (“red, pink”), with an extra -k. In the dialects that have the simple adjective sarks, sarkans has the meaning “reddish.” Cognates include Lithuanian dialectal sárkanas (“bright, clear, light; pink”), Scythian suxra (“red”), Persian سرخ‎ (sorx, “red”).[1] and sarts https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/s%C4%81rts#Latvian sorx https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%AE in farsi - sorx https://www.italki.com/question/263903

So while it seems the general tenor of the article is right about it's origin - in hebrew the same stone seems to be called odem and also means red, the reference in the article seems wrong - and gives the word in persian for "cold". could someone check for a better source, add sources, or otherwise update this if in error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.179.151 (talk) 18:09, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]