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Pre-Show Music Update

I visit EPCOT several times a month and last night made a point to sit and listen to the entire pre-show. Since the guidelines discourage "Original Research" there is no real way to verify the exact play list unless I upload an entire video of the pre-show with audio and sitting right next to a speaker. If this is requested of me I will do it as I will be there again in a few days but here is what the pre-show music was as of last night from sitting in the Canadian Paviliion:

1 - Jalan Kopo 2 - East Wind 3 - Busindre Reel 4 - Gaviotes 5 - Tula 6 - Our Life

The last group that plays in the Word Showcase is done (with the exception of Mo'roccan) by 8:25 for the pre-show music which lasts about 30min. These lists of 8 or 9 songs is totally false as that would add up to nearly an hour of pre-show music. I am going to visit a few more paviliions and record the audio and post it online for people to debate and discuss. The Claw (talk) 19:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Production

Should a list of the people who worked on this be provided or at least a link to one?

New speakers

I don't know what exactly they are doing with this new sound system, but it's a mess. The preshow music was the newer loop. I could hear the echo from another speaker from the other side of the lagoon during the show. Afterwards, I couldn't hear the post show music through most of World Showcase. The post show music just cut off randomly and then "Celebrate You" played. The intro narrator is not the same as the ending narrator. I just wanna throw in that I'm not a fan of Bose, it's over priced and over simplified setups if you ask me. Where is all of this new info coming from anyway? They should have just left it alone, before, Jim Cummings narrated the intro and ending, the preshow music didn't mix and sound like crap with the country's music, the post show music was nice and loud and could be heard from everywhere, and no Celebrate You. --blm07 07:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pyro count update

Pyro pieces per show updated to current level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyroteq (talk • contribs) 20:12, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Act Names

I have renamed the acts to reflect what the Show Manager called them in the video I referenced. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisfkc (talk • contribs) Elisfkc (talk) 06:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

File:1 epcot illuminations 2010.jpg to appear as POTD soon

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:1 epcot illuminations 2010.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 31, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-12-31. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth
A long-exposure shot of the finale of the second act of IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth, the nightly fireworks show at Epcot in Walt Disney World. This three-act show premiered in 1999 and has won eleven straight Golden Ticket Awards for Best Outdoor Night Production Show.Photograph: Chensiyuan
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GA Review

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Reviewer: Khanate General (talk · contribs) 11:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Elisfkc (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Close paraphrasing and copyvio review

  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector reports that a copyright violation is very likely. While two of the checked sources are Wikimedia mirrors and false positives, wdwinfo.com is one of the main sources used in this article.
  • I have some serious concerns about close paraphrasing. Several sentences were taken directly from the sources cited in the article with superficial modifications. You will need to convey the information in the sources using your own words.
  • The Earth Globe is considered to be the most complicated piece of show action equipment ever made by Disney (Wikipedia) versus The Earth Globe, which is considered one of the most complicated piece of show action equipment in the history of Disney Imagineering (source)
    • The structure of the sentence is nearly exactly the same as the original. Also, who considers the Earth Globe to be "the most complicated piece of show action equipment" by Disney?
  • Walt Disney Entertainment invented a way of launching the fireworks by using a compressed air system, instead of black powder (Wikipedia) versus Walt Disney Entertainment created a new way of launching fireworks by using Air Launch Fireworks (ALF), a compressed air system, instead of black powder.
    • The sentence uses the same language and structure as the original source. Minor rewording (changing "created" to "invented") is not enough.
  • Don Dorsey traveled to China to meet with fireworks manufacturers to create these new dazzling effects. (Wikipedia) versus Don traveled to China, the birthplace of fireworks, to meet with fireworks manufacturers to create some dazzling new effects. (source)
    • Again, the language and structure of the Wikipedia sentence is exactly the same as the original source. The only major difference is that the Wikipedia line omits "the birthplace of fireworks".
  • The 13-minute show requires 67 computers in 40 locations, hundreds of special lighting fixtures, four fountain barges pumping 5,000 gallons per minute, a 150,000-pound inferno barge with 37 nozzles shooting propane flames into the air, and lasers delivering a kaleidoscope of colors. (Wikipedia) versus The 13-minute show requires 67 computers in 40 locations, hundreds of special lighting fixtures, four fountain barges pumping 5,000 gallons per minute, a 150,000-pound inferno barge with 37 nozzles shooting propane flames into the air, and lasers delivering a kaleidoscope of colors. (source)
    • This paragraph was plagiarized word-for-word from the original source.
  • The 13-minute show requires 67 computers in 40 locations, hundreds of special lighting fixtures, four fountain barges pumping 5,000 gallons per minute, a 150,000-pound inferno barge with 37 nozzles shooting propane flames into the air, and lasers delivering a kaleidoscope of colors. (Wikipedia) versus Sixty-seven computers in 40 locations, hundreds of special lighting fixtures, four fountain barges pumping 5,000 gallons of water per minute, a 150,000-pound inferno barge with 37 nozzles to shoot propane flames skyward, and a full color spectrum of lasers (source)
    • Here is another instance of close paraphrasing and borderline plagiarism. The only change was a minor rewording of a full color spectrum of lasers to a kaleidoscope of colors.
  • The performance concludes with the post-show announcement (Wikipedia) versus The performance concludes with the post-show announcement (source)
    • The Wikipedia sentence is identical to the sentence in the source.

Sources

  • The quality and quantity of sources in this article does not meet the GA requirements. A number of paragraphs lack sources. The article also relies heavily on primary sources such as Youtube, which raises concerns about original research.
  • The following sections have no citations: Pre-show music, Act III: Meaning, Moving lights, Fountain barges, Torches, Holiday Finale, Fourth of July, Epcot's 25th Anniversary Special Edition, and Epcot's 30th Anniversary Special Edition.

Summary

The article still needs a significant amount of improvement. Close paraphrasing and outright plagiarism is the most urgent problem and should be fixed immediately. The article lacks sources, and many of the sources that it does use are primary sources from Youtube.--Khanate General ☪ talk project mongol conquests 08:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Give me a couple days, I'll try fixing up most of it, if not all. Elisfkc (talk) 23:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Khanate General: Finished image work and paraphrasing work. Will work on sources next. Elisfkc (talk) 21:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Khanate General: Ok, I have added sources to all of the sections that did not have them before (hoping to find a better one for Fourth of July). Each section now also has a non-YouTube reference for it, since you said that YouTube references are not good (in some cases though, they are just unavoidable). What now? Elisfkc (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Khanate General: Hello? --Elisfkc (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 22:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll place my review comments below; it might take me a couple of days to get through the article.

  • http://rec.arts.disney.parks.narkive.com/d1lAJiK6/that-music-before-illuminations is not a reliable source.
  • "The first loop played from the show's premiere through 2004, while the 2nd one ran from 2004 to 2012, after which time the first loop was reinstated. As of 2015, both loops are in use and chosen randomly each night" is unsourced.
  • This doesn't seem to have any accompanying information explaining where it comes from. It appears to live on someone's graphic design site. What makes this a reliable source?
  • Why is Jim Cummings' entire introductory paragraph quoted? I think short quotes from performances can help the reader gain understanding, but this seems to me to fall foul of this essay. That's neither a policy nor a guideline, of course. In terms of the GA criteria, my concern would be with 2 (d): we should only use copyrighted material such as this for a good reason.
  • There's no source given for the first sentence following the Cummings quote, but it appears to be taken from the wdwinfo.com site. It's mostly too close to the original, but in a couple of places strays from the source -- which doesn't say it's a bass drum, for example, and which says the lighting goes out rather than is dimmed. It can be hard to paraphrase simple descriptions, so I sympathize, but does the reader really need this level of detail?
  • I don't see any mention of a "cosmic event" in the source, and I'm not sure what the phrase is intended to mean, to be honest.
  • The same source is cited for the sentence "The show begins with explosive fireworks from the center lagoon and hot flames from the Inferno Barge", but there's no mention of the Inferno Barge in the source, and the only mention of the lagoon doesn't refer to "the center lagoon", but to "the center of the lagoon", and then only in reference to the next part of the show.
  • I am not sure that the youtube narration you cite is a good source; I've asked a question about it at the Reliable Source noticeboard, and you may want to comment there.
  • What makes allears.net a reliable source? I think it's probably OK, but I'm not familiar with it and just want to verify that it meets the criteria.
  • I don't see where the information cited to allears.net actually comes from. For example, you have "the Earth Globe appears and moves towards the center of the lagoon accompanied with water effects emanating from the fountain barges". Can you point me at the sentences used to source that?

-- This is rather a lot of issues to raise just in the first section. I'm concerned that this article, while evidently written by someone who knows the subject very well, goes beyond what can be reliably sourced and encyclopedically described. I'm going to stop the review here so we can address these points before going on. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, give me a couple days to get to work on this. Elisfkc (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure; as long as you're working on it I'm happy to leave it on hold. FYI, the youtube source mentioned above did not generate a lot of discussion at the RSN, but the one comment it did receive agreed that it should not be treated as a reliable source, so I think it should be removed from the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think I've addressed the issues:

  • Pre-show music: Personally, I always hated this section since it has little to do with the show itself, and since those were the most reliable sources I could find about it, I took out the section entirely.
    OK, struck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jim Cummings Quote: Not sure how best to paraphrase, but I love the quote in its entirety. Personally, it always sends chills through my spin.
    I've struck the comment above; the article as a whole doesn't overuse quotations throughout so I think we can let this go. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sentence following the Cummings quote: Changed to just get the point across
    I think this is still a problem; it's no longer as close to the wdwinfo.com wording, but it still mentions a couple of things not in the source. I think it's OK to say there's a sound of the flames being blown out, since that's implied by "blows" out the torches, but the source doesn't mention a bass drum and doesn't mention the drum at all, nor the fireworks, till Act 1. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Took out the drum parts. --Elisfkc (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cosmic Event: Took out, seemed like someone just added that in
    OK. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The show begins with explosive fireworks from the center lagoon and hot flames from the Inferno Barge": Added Allears.net citation, since that does mention that info
    Sorry, I don't see it. It appears there's only one lagoon -- is that right? So that should probably be "center of the lagoon", not "center lagoon". That takes care of part of the issue, but I don't see where the Inferno barge is mentioned on the allears page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly why I wanted someone to review, because my mind has always just added the "of the" part. --Elisfkc (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The end of the statement seems to be signed with "The Allears team". --Elisfkc (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What next? --Elisfkc (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go through and strike as I go, and add replies if necessary. By the way, feel free to intersperse your replies with mine; I know some reviewers don't like that but I think it's easier to read the threads that way. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments.

  • The last sentence of Act II is uncited, as is most of Act III.
  • Last paragraph of Post Show is uncited.
  • In the first paragraph of Show technologies/The Earth Globe, all but the last sentence are cited to this wdwnews.com page, but I can't find all the information there. Where does "15,600 LED clusters" come from? And the Earth Globe starting its journey from the edge of the lagoon? The information about the driver?
  • The size of the globe is given twice in this paragraph.
  • There is uncited information throughout the article, including large parts of the Show Technologies sections, and a few other sentences further down.
  • Some of the information in the third paragraph of the Earth Globe section, cited to this source, can't be found in that source -- e.g. mention of Century III, or the fact that the screens are off for the first two minutes. The same problem appears elsewhere -- e.g. the Fireworks section mentions ALF and a timing chip, and Eric Tucker, but none of that information is in the source.
  • What makes Dad's Guide to WDW a reliable source? Per this page it appears to be the personal site of someone named Carl Trent.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to stop again here, because large parts of the article are either uncited or the citations don't support the article text or the sources appear to be unreliable. Can you make a pass through the whole article, and fix all the citation issues, and let me know when it's ready to take another look? I'm fine with leaving this on hold if you feel you can resolve the issues, but there's a lot of work to do. FYI, I have house guests from 5/26 through 6/2, so may be a little slow to respond during that time. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, sounds good. Elisfkc (talk) 01:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Addressed some issues, need a little more time for the rest. Elisfkc (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Elisfkc: just checking in -- are you still planning on working on this? There's a lot to do here and it might be better to fail it and fix it at leisure, and resubmit when you're ready. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:59, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike Christie: I was just thinking about this as I was driving today. I think that your suggestion of fail and resubmit later is the best option right now, sadly. Thanks Elisfkc (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll go ahead and fail. Good luck with this next time around. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:15, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Show closing

Disney has indeed announced that Reflections of Earth will give its final performance sometime in the 2nd half of 2019. The article prose should certainly have that, but the infobox does not yet need it. Why? Because we don't have an exact date. Also, plans do change; something may come up that may cause Disney to extend the show's run later ... or force it to close earlier. Let's keep the infobox clear until we actually have a final performance. Opinions? --McDoobAU93 12:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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