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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 11:37, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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inadequate evidence of notability - -refs are PR and notices only. DGG ( talk ) 02:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Financial Times and the Yorkshire Post thought it was notable enough for a story. It's become a significant player in the computerisation of health services. Digital Health carries lots of reports about deployment. Staff of Lancashire Care NHS Foundation Trust quoted are not PR. Rathfelder (talk) 07:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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There are seven different independent sources cited. Rathfelder (talk) 18:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: insufficient sourcing to meet WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Financial Times devoted a substantial article to the company. I think that meets WP:CORPDEPTH.Rathfelder (talk) 09:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Clear consensus not to delete, but a toss-up between keeping at this title and merging. And, if merge, unclear what's the best target. For now, I'll call this NC, and people can continue to discuss a possible merge on the talk pages. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury Mail Transport System

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not notable in any way. See also its developer page: David Harris (software developer), it is also not notable and is nominated for deletion, thanks. Editor-1 (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into David Harris (software developer) - not significant enough for a stand alone article. NealeFamily (talk) 09:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware that that article too is up for deletion, unfortunately in some ways not part of that this as a WP:BUNDLE. You may wish to also explore the the other merge target I have suggested below.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Speedy keep~~Keep WP:ATD as part of WP:BEFORE should have meant either the article was tagged or the merge of this MTA into the sister MUA Pegasus Mail, but with the keep tagging for issues and optionally a merge proposal which can be sorted outside of AfD which is what is meant to happen. MTA entanglements are not my favourite pastime, MUAs being more use visible, but if this Mercury MTA relates to the mercury MTA at XAMPP then it probably should retain own article status. The harm caused by this article is minimal, the disruption to do a full investigation at AfD is significant and the timing is forced, and a proposal of a Merge in AfD requires the commitmnet to complete the merge promptly after AfD. However while I propose a speedy keep I am aware the conditions are unlikely to have been deemed to be met. I would therefore fallback to a keep with tagging and at worst a merge to Pegasus Mail however I am not in good faith able to give a 100% commitment I would complete the merge in that circumstance ... it is perhaps 60% chance I would complete it promptly. (Edit conflict prepping this message)Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This forum post leads me to believe Mercury has a very significant role recently/currently? as the MTA in XAMPP. Together with its earlier role the 1990s? for Netware I am strongly recommending for a keep, though resources for that period will likely be offline and might need search of an archive like Bletchley Park. The Speedy Keep opportunity has passed and I am recommending keep with article tagging. While the Pegagsus Mail MUA and Mercury MTA are from the same stable and perhaps often used together and will often be applied separately also and because of different and non simple lifecycles and development are best kept separate.Djm-leighpark (talk) 14:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a 2012 page on How to use Mercury Mail in XAMPP. Pol098 (talk) 15:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

merge well as the nominator, I think now it should be merged into Pegasus Mail, they have also a common web-site. Editor-1 (talk) 10:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or possibly merge into an appropriately-named article. I'm thinking of Mercury's historical importance, which unfortunately isn't reflected in the article at present. When Novell Netware was the networking system, before Microsoft had any network server capability, Mercury running on a Netware server as an NLM, together with Pegasus running on MS-DOS workstations, was a very usual mail system for both internal and external mail, maybe the principal or only one, I don't know—mail wasn't as important then as it is now, Mercury/Pegasus was a pioneer. A Windows network implementation followed much later. Pol098 (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I am kind going on what Djm-leighpark and Pol098 posted above, I don't know how well Mercury Mail was used or if was as popular as Pegasus however from I know it was one of the main LAN mail tools of the 1990s along with Novell Netware. The article feels a bit weak on sources maybe that can be fixed, but I prefer to keep as is, instead of any merge. Govvy (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't know ... if Mercury Mail was as popular as Pegasus". It wasn't an "either/or", they're not alternatives. On a network you could either have each workstation with its own mail client, using the network only to store each user's mail on the file server, or a fully networked mail system. Pegasus MS-DOS or possibly Apple Mac workstations worked with Mercury running on the Netware server; Mercury exchanged mail with the Internet, and collected it from and forwarded it to Pegasus on workstations. Pegasus for MS-DOS was not a non-networked free-standing mail client. A relevant quote, written after Windows 3 was in use: "Unlike the Windows versions of Pegasus Mail, the DOS version does not have built-in support for the Internet POP3, SMTP or IMAP protocols, because there is no standard TCP/IP interface for DOS-based computers. However, by adding our Mercury Mail Transport System as a mail server, you can provide fully-integrated centralized Internet e-mail services and mailing list management for your Pegasus Mail users." (http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_pmail.htm) Pol098 (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 09:25, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

David Harris (software developer)

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not notable, just a software developer of 2 proprietary software Editor-1 (talk) 05:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as meeting WP:GNG because he was recognised by his peers as making a significant contribution to software development in New Zealand. I note that there is not a lot written about him, but both his software developments are still active NealeFamily (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

* You come from New Zealand and your fellow-citizen has very little coverage in press outside New-Zealand, all the references in the article are from that country and I don't think the Lifetime Achievement Award which is a friendly award, can give notability to this article. Editor-1 (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an IT geek, but noting the comments on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mercury Mail Transport System, I get the impression that the software David Harris developed is more significant than the article states. It needs someone from the IT world to comment NealeFamily (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep This guy has been around a long time, kind of a founding father in internet mail, web communications. I am surprised his article is so small, [1] Govvy (talk) 13:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - he's certainly a major figure in the world of email software development. Sadly, he's also very much a recluse, so there isn't much information about him online. For what it's worth, here's a non-New Zealand article about him and his work. [2] Grutness...wha? 13:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Er, Grutness I already posted that link in my comment above! Govvy (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Right you are, guv. Grutness...wha? 13:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That link is all about "Pegasus Mail" and rarely mentioned him just as its developer, so it does not help to his notability. Editor-1 (talk) 09:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lacking information which may not meet the WP:GNG, as I agree with Editor-1 he is just non notable software delvopler of just 2 proprietary softwares. Sheldybett (talk) 04:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and expand Harris' work is part of the history of email as a platform, and was the subject of two Usenet newsgroups and several mailing lists. He's one of the few people who authored both a popular email server and a email client. The article needs work, but not deletion. Anirvan (talk) 17:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If his work is really part of the E-mail history there should be many independent sources about him, but there is no significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The fact is this person is just a regular software developer with little coverage about his 2 proprietary software. Editor-1 (talk) 08:54, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete Not enough material to support a standalone article, already mentioned in Pegasus Mail and Mercury Mail Transport System . OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Pegasus was quite a thing in its day, and an interesting piece of world and NZ internet history. Yes this article is a stub, but keeping it gives a chance for it to be completed Somej (talk) 09:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Municipal Art Society. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Center (art gallery)

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Has no sources and has never had any since creation in 2005. A web search shows it to have closed and I do not see sources to support its notability. I recommend merge with Municipal Art Society. Lopifalko (talk) 08:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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keep or merge to Municipal Art Society. Five sources added; previously there were none. It obviously has a public profile. The help of a New Yorker would be appreciated, to determine the status of where it actually is and if it is still open! There. are mentions of a move int he NY times source.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Sorry my mistake in saying that it had closed, if it has. I have not yet found a web site for it. And prior to my removing the link form the article, it had two web sites in External Links, the "Official website" was Municipal Art Society, as well as "The Urban Center book store". It is The Urban Center book store that Google says is "permanently closed". -Lopifalko (talk) 06:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Municipal Art Society. The NYT article provides significant coverage, but sources found in searches and and those added to the article are mostly listings in guide books that do not quite provide significant coverage. Other sources also only provide mentions, rather than significant coverage. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Michael Sayman. czar 03:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

4 Snaps

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Non-notable iOS word game. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Seeing as the developer is notable, why not just merge/redirect there per WP:ATD? Regards So Why 08:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is the developer notable? Taking a look at the article it seems pretty promotional/non-notable to me. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Michael Sayman. Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 05:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Card warp

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Previous AfD three years ago was closed as no consensus as there were no participants after two relists.

This doesn't appear to be a particularly notable card trick - I couldn't find references to it in any of the usual sources, and I can't locate the sources mentioned in the article to verify their contents or reliability.

Original rationale was similar and I agree with it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It is outrageous to nominate an article because you personally are unable access the sources. Nor is it necessary that material exists online. We assume good faith for offline sources unless there is reason not to as a matter of policy. If you are implying that the sources don't actually exist, then that is incorrect. They can all be shown to exist with online evidence and in most cases are held by libraries;

The Michael Close source is on gbooks, and also OCLC World Cat which lists library holdings
The Michal Ammar source at World Cat
The Schwarzman source is listed at the Conjuring Archive along with dozens of other sources that discuss this trick under various names
The Eugene Burger source at World Cat

go read the sources first before claiming lack of notability. SpinningSpark 19:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment just wondering - is a card trick notable because it's on a few videos? Are these sources WP:PRIMARY? And if this is kept, the sources need to be added to the article. SportingFlyer talk 07:55, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you responding to me? All those sources are already in the article. They are just formatted as prose rather than the usual reflist. Only half the sources are videos, and videos are just as acceptable as printed sources, subject to the same RS guidelines. SpinningSpark 17:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SpinningSpark: Partially to you, partially posing a question - I'm not trying to disqualify videos as a legitimate source, but rather noting it's difficult to determine whether it's a primary or secondary source: I think the question is, is this someone showing you how to do their trick, or is this someone showing you how to do a trick? SportingFlyer talk 22:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. It's hard to tell, but it appears the Michael Close video is self-published - at least the corresponding book is. [3] is by L&L Publishing. I can't find "Apocalypse Volume 3 Number 7". SportingFlyer talk 23:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean Michael Ammar, not Michael Close – at least that's where your link goes. Surely he can be counted as an established expert in the field per WP:RS/SPS. SpinningSpark 23:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC

I'm not sure why you are suggesting L&L Publishing is a self-publishing house. There is no sign on their website that they take money to publish. SpinningSpark 00:01, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I'm not suggesting it's self-published, I'm trying to find where the videos were sourced from since there are no inline references. SportingFlyer talk 00:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

same place SpinningSpark 00:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) This was originally in reply to Sportingflyer's second comment but I moved it out rather than bork the whole order of things. Spinningspark, I apologize for phrasing my original argument inarticulately - I (unfairly) assumed the reference to the original AfD would suggest I felt the same and wouldn't need to make the same argument again. I should have copy-pasted it if I wanted to do that.

That being said, I think the question of primary vs. secondary is the real issue with this article (and, come to think of it, other magic trick articles in general, even the couple I've worked on). Those videos, and even the linked books, are commercial how-to guides. They exist for the purpose of teaching people to do these tricks, not for the purpose of evaluating the tricks critically or commenting on the history of them. To me, that places them more towards being primary than secondary sources, which would mean they are much less indicative of notability. In contrast, something like Jim Steinmeyer's Hiding The Elephant would be a secondary source, because its function is to discuss the history of a particular trick, not to teach someone how to do that trick.

It looks like WikiProject Magic is dead, which is a shame, because there's no SNG here and I think it might be helpful to have one. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If there was only one magician involved, then sure. But the Conjuring Archive is enough to convince me that numerous magicians have used this trick or created versions of it. That gives it some kind of notability to my mind. SpinningSpark 00:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Appears in sources such as Magic: A Reference Guide and so is notable. Andrew D. (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, google is showing standard fair. Merge would be reasonable if there was a target. Szzuk (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Goodman

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Does not meet WP:ANYBIO / WP:CREATIVE. Significant RS coverage not found. Created by Special:Contributions/You_are_handsome with no other contributions outside this topic. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. He wrote for three seasons of Dinosaurs. There is coverage. James500 (talk) 04:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nom's comment: I don't think that writing credits (among apparently several writers) amount to notability under WP:CREATIVE. In any case, he -- nor other writers -- are mentioned at the Dinosaurs (TV series) article. I've not seen sufficient coverage either. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This does not satisfy the notability guidelines per WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. Per WP:NOTINHERITED the fact he wrote for Dinosaurs does not make him notable because that is not backed up by significant coverage from secondary sources itself. Also this seems like the case of self promotion aka WP:PROMO, one user only making and editing this article, references being the official site of Andy Goodman... Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to The Hugs. czar 03:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Delegato

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Does not meet any of criteria of musical notability guidelines. Google search reveals vanity and publicity hits, but no third-party coverage. No need for separate article from band (and questions can be raised about whether band should be covered).

Author appears to be publicity agent for band, User:Dashugs03 and The Hugs.

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Redirect to The Hugs, as all references are about the band, not Delegato individually. As per the nomination, notability is not inherited. Jmertel23 (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Hugs per WP:MUSICBIO. I cannot find anything to establish that Delegato himself is notable, as the coverage of him is brief and in context of the band. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 12:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holly Liu

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Created by a blocked sockpuppet, supported by the usual mix of low quality and/or non-independent sources.

The subject's claim to fame appears to be having founded the company Kabam, so redirecting the article there would be a reasonable course of action. Per the available coverage, her other achievements are not sufficient to justify a standalone article. Rentier (talk) 08:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I see three reasonably good sources (VentureBeat and the two Forbes articles), that seem independent. The rest seem pretty poor. Though, with these existing, it can't be too far from notability. Having been created by a sockpuppet makes no difference for an article meeting WP:GNG Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

True, I only mentioned it to invite extra scrutiny. For example, the Forbes articles come from their contribution network, which lacks editorial oversight and is worthless for establishing notability. This is explicitly stated in Wikipedia's guidelines for corporate notability and the same principle applies here. Rentier (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. Though not terribly notable, she meets the criteria, even if barely. Besides what has been already mentioned: an interview/chapter dedicated to her in the Female Innovators at Work: Women on Top of Tech, and high coverage in journals like Animation Magazine. Caballero/Historiador^⎌ 11:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both sources (one is an interview) discuss the subject in the context of the company Kabam. I see this as a clear case of WP:SINGLEEVENT and the place to discuss Liu's contribution is in the article about the company. Rentier (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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keep sources look okay. GH award says a lot IMO. Between all that I'd say we are above any reasonable definition of notability. Hobit (talk) 02:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to be clear, while the award is a clear indication of notability, the bio that goes with it [4] is nearly an ideal source. You'd best believe an award like that was vetted carefully. Hobit (talk) 02:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The refs are fine. Forbes and inc.Szzuk (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge per consensus and WP:BOLD, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

213 discography

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Same as last time this was at AfD. Nothing new. wumbolo ^^^ 15:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect, not enough content for a standalone. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Personally I think this is enough for a standalone page but it just seem unnecessary because the main page isn't that long. Horizonlove (talk) 23:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with and redirect to article on 213 - I concur with the above comments that the article on 213 is not all that long and therefore a redirect may be possible. Vorbee (talk) 06:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Ten Pound Hammer and Vorbee.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 07:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) JC7V-talk 05:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TRI Pointe Group

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Lots of incidental non-signficant coverage around IPO. I do not see the sort of significant coverage by multiple reliable sources that would indicate notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Multiple secondary sources covering publicly traded company. Shurpin (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep notable company. Listed on Bloomberg and on the New York Stock market Buzzy anslem (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Article contains plenty of references which discuss in-depth Tri Pointe Group ([5] [6]). Also plenty of refs through a quick Google News search.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I feel that there are many reliable sources that makes the article satisfy WP:GNG. Vinodbasker (talk) 04:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE applies. Sandstein 11:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Lindley-Highfield of Ballumbie Castle

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Per Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#AfD_Request:_Mark_Lindley-Highfield_of_Ballumbie_Castle I'll nominate on behalf of the requester and ask the community: is the subject notable? Vexations (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why, but the search used here for newspapers does not work. The Google news search does: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+lindley-highfield&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiml8D_gfjdAhWKIMAKHd6YCzsQ_AUIDygC&biw=1517&bih=730 . There are also referenced and linked newspaper articles in the article: Mark Lindley-Highfield of Ballumbie Castle. I have requested elsewhere edits to improve the article to meet with acceptable standards. 82.129.81.98 (talk) 23:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I am reverting to my original view that the page should be deleted. The edit request function is ineffectual and two new editors believe that the article should be deleted, so I now endorse their view in an aim to reach concensus. I mentioned previously that the page omits my FRSA award and those received from HRH Dom Duarte Pio, Duke of Bragança, and other information that should really be present to make the article complete. In view of these shortcomings, it should definitely be deleted.MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle (talk) 08:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep It must be kept of course. Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia, is in the business of creating articles about notable people. Here is a page, confirming the subjects bone fides:Mark Lindley-Highfield of Ballumbie Castle. What an fantastically exotic person! MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle, the page can be modified accordingly to make it more accurate, assuming any sourced references added can be verified. Wikipedia rules frown upon a person editing his own page, but it can be done via a mechanism like Wikipedia:Edit requests and somebody will come along and update for you. scope_creep (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
on the fence at the moment - I am not really seeing much worth reporting, mostly verified from obscure looking sources, although I am not experianced in academic notability he doesn't look astounding in any single specific particular way, also the subject, if it is him, he has not been verified, keeps removing the mention of his involvement in the Ceri Fuller Inquest, which might be the reason for requesting it's deletion. Govindaharihari (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I could be persuaded to agree with the keeping of the page if as per scope_creep amendments to the page can be done via a mechanism like Wikipedia:Edit requests. MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle (talk) 06:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle, if you plan to use that mechanism you will have to make a declaration concerning conflict of interest, WP:COI on your user page. This is mandatory under Wikipedia Terms of Use. The instructions can be found at WP:DISCLOSURE. Once that is done, the Edit Request mechanism is straightforward. Please read the following: Connected Coi. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 06:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi scope_creep. I have done this, thanks. I still do not mind if the article is deleted. I noticed that I was affecting consensus, which I do not wish to do, as I believe it is for the editors to decide. Thank you. MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Coolio. scope_creep (talk) 06:38, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The COI editor has requested information on their titles to be included in the article, and supplies references linked to and, in some instances, accessible by the subject himself (i.e., his Aberdeen University profile page, which they have access to and are able to alter which information is displayed there). I would normally have accepted these employer-type sources for titles if their notability derived from actions made by the subject while acting in those positions, but many of these titles do not fit that definition (i.e., his role as Principal Examiner of the Cambridge Research Qualification, seeing that his notability derives from his campaign for freedom of speech and the editorial independence of the Gaudie newspaper). Thus I've declined the request. The details presented in that request, combined with the padding of items such as the infobox (awards section, children's first names, etc.) give me pause about the COI editor's intentions for this article. If editors here believe that information—including that in the COI edit request—to be worthy of the article, I invite them to accept these requested changes on the COI editor's behalf. Regards, Spintendo 20:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I trust that editors will feel free to edit or delete as is appropriate. MLindley-HighfieldofBallumbieCastle (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete doesn't even come anywhere near WP:GNG. Tony May (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AIR Faizabad

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Redirect to All India Radio. There's no possible content through reliable sources such that a meaningful article can be written that doesn't just read "[radio station] is a radio station that broadcasts in [broadcast area] with a frequency of [this many] Mhz". There does not need to be hundreds of stubs that only read as such. A table listing All India Radio's translators should also be made as per WP:BROADCAST.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--Fails WP:GNG by a mile or so.

All India Radio/Aakashvani follows a three-tier-broadcast system.The third tier comprises of local stations, whose programs are mainly transmitted over FM band and which claims to serve small communities, showcase local culture and broadcast area specific programs for the benefit of the community.The programming is flexible and spontaneous and the stations function as the mouth piece of the local community. There are currently 86 local stations and AIR Faizabad is one of them.

That Bearian claims one of the core notability criteria that a radio station has to pass to qualify for its own article is that it originates at least a portion of its own programming schedule in its own local studios ought to indicate keeping this article.But, my personal experience tells me that the local radio stations hardly fulfills their presumed role in any conceivable manner and they mostly serve as relay-transmitters of the regional feed produced by the concerned second-tier-station.All originality of content, in practicality, terminates with the second tier.
Also, I can guarantee that such local third-tier stations doesn't manage to retrieve any coverage in regional sources of Indian scape.∯WBG^converse 06:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:25, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Twirlin'

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I'm somewhat torn on this nomination. I actually went looking for sources with the intention of improving this article, but found so little that I wound up deciding to AfD it instead. It's obvious that cane twirling or twirlin is a real art form with history and practitioners, particularly among African-American Greek fraternal groups. There are lots of discussions on forums about it, information on websites for the frats, photos of performances, etc - the interest is clearly there.

But what I can't find anywhere is a reliable and independent source which discusses the topic specifically - a book, a magazine or newspaper article, a scholarly study, anything. I tried "twirling" and "twirlin", adding "cane", "kappa", "greek" in various combinations, and didn't come up with anything.

The book A brief history of Twirlin' seems reliable on the surface. On closer inspection, the publisher "Think Enxit Press", appears to belong to author James Felton Keith: it has published two books and he is the author of both. Self-published books are not reliably fact-checked and cannot be relied upon as sources. Soulstepping was mentioned at the original AfD as a reliable source. It mentions canes, but the words "twirl", "twirling", or "twirlin" do not appear in it, so it can hardly be said to significantly discuss this topic. Steppin' on the Blues has some mentions of baton/cane twirling, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of significant content. I found other books, mostly discussions of fraternities and their history, that mention twirling trivially, but nothing that actually spoke about it in any depth.

I would suggest a merge to Stepping (African-American), but there's nothing reliably sourced in this article to actually merge. Redirecting without merging is also an option; I didn't want to unilaterally turn it into a redirect without a discussion, since it was previously kept. (As a side note, I have also tagged the similar article cane twirling for G12 as its entire history was a copyvio),

I would be delighted to withdraw if there are reliable sources about this. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Dancing using canes as props goes back a lot further than the 1950s and I find the uncited claim that it is of African American origin highly dubious. At least, we need unimpeachable sources for the claim. Of the references in the article, the Fine and Malone books do not mention the term and I can't make out whether the Keith Group Innovation source is meant to be a book, web page or what. The only thing that actually has a url or other kind of link that can be followed is the external link which is dead or broken. The claim that the "history of the cane dates back to Eastern African culture of the 4000th century BCE" is alone enough to set off very loud alarm bells. SpinningSpark 18:51, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After two full relistings, no consensus for a particular outcome has transpired. Per very low user participation herein, closing with No prejudice against speedy renomination. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My Little Wife

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Non-notable Soviet film.--RTY9099 (talk) 00:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. No evidence it is non-notable. No mention of wp:BEFORE. No mention of searching under any name, no "find sources" set up for searching of Russian-language name of film. Looks significant to me. --Doncram (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Lithuania wikipedia article about it, somewhat longer than our article (and google translated for me), the original language of the film is Lithuanian, not Russian, my bad, but as a Soviet era film maybe it should be searched for in Russian language too. The LT wikipedia article mentions some awards. I haven't done much searching. Try also:

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Again I think this should be kept, it looks more significant the more I browse about it.--Doncram (talk) 23:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment search results yield results for the significance of the film in the history of the director and various actors involved in the film. It has also been translated as "My Tiny Wife" and other variations. It seems that the director and the actors involved have, after some hiatus, become reinvolved in film. The very significance experience of their involvement in this monumental film is important in explaining their relatively recent impacts. --Doncram (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For what it's worth, given lack of any detailed support for the nomination, and some (my own) support for "Keep", I would tend to want to appeal any simplistic "No consensus" result, relative to somewhat supported "Keep" result. --Doncram (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Igor Sandler

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Musician and music producer with obscure significance and dubious sources.--RTY9099 (talk) 00:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 03:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Sander (candidate)

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Unsuccessful candidate in an election, no other claim to notability. A request for verification has been on this for eight years, with no improvement. Initially thought about PRODing it, but a previous AfD had been started and closed as delete (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris_Sander). HangingCurve^{Swing for the fence} 02:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I did not find RS that would have confirmed his notability. Den... (talk) 03:51, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not a single source. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL miserably.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia has way too many articles on defeated candidates in 2008. That was the heyday of the wild west creation of articles time. We have lots of such articles that are really campaign coverage articles not bios, and need to go.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.Just a candidate in an election and does not qualify WP:GNG and WP:NPOL.Vinodbasker (talk) 04:31, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 03:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Entempo

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Attempts to find supporting material to establish notability of the company have failed. Originally PROD-dePROD in 2006; another PROD in 2018 was dePROD by me due to previous PROD rejection. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no assertion of notability independent of retail sites. Even this single source I found actually discusses one of its products and not the company itself.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete very lazy of me not to check for previous PRODs, but the company doesn't meet NCORP anyway. Tera TIX 09:30, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NCORP Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Did not find any reliable source for the article except for its mention in the products details so fails WP:NCORP.Vinodbasker (talk) 10:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NCORP. Search results show nothing that would pass GNG. Sdmarathe (talk) 23:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was SNOW redirect.(non-admin closure) 💵Money💵emoji💵^💸 16:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Toongabbie Public School

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Restore redirect to Toongabbie - The 2010 AfD resulted in a merge to Toongabbie, New South Wales which is now at Toongabbie. Primary schools are not generally notable and that is still true for this school. The article was only "un-redirected" as an unreferenced stub today by a new editor,[7] and either HapHaxion or Pichpich could have happily restored the redirect rather than tagging and ending up at AfD. With no indication of notability the outcome of the previous AfD should be honoured. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - agree with statement made by AussieLegend. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 06:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per AussieLegend.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per AussieLegend. Unnecessary AfD. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect Not notable in its own right. BUT this time do some of the relevant merge too. Aoziwe (talk) 12:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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