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Leading paragraph

So, as the talk page notes in several discussions above, the lede for this article is tricky because there is so much information and it is difficult to summarize concisely. I have just significantly rewritten/reorganized the lede because i thought it it did not read very smoothly; it was more like a list of facts than a summary. Furthermore, there aren't any body of water featured articles or any real templates I could find to base this off of. I have tried as far as possible to make these changes in accordance with WP:LEAD. It states that an article of this size should generally have a lede of about 4 paragraphs and focus on aspects in proportion to their importance. I arranged it thus:

  1. What, where, and how big? for a geographical article i think these are the most important items.
  2. why is this notable now? most people are probably more interested in what's going on now than working up through history. this wound up being basically summary of the economy since it's geopolitical importance has waned.
  3. History. I thought the flow of "it's important now because... Historically, however..." was smoother than splitting it up.
  4. Geology, geography, and environment. These items have less to do with the notability of the sea and are more just general facts about it. The fjords are kind of notable since the best examples are on the north sea but the economy and history are, it seems to me, the reason more people will be coming to this article. (this is certainly a judgment call; I am open to arguments the other way. But I couldn't really think of any myself.)

I tried to remove any facts that might want citation. I also tried generally to remove any specific facts in favor of a very general overview. Any given fact in a summary takes you on that slippery slope of 'if we include this we have to include that.' Also broad characterizations make for smoother reading than lists of facts.

Anyway I figured, since the lede has been through several iterations I'd try to get a general outline for people to agree on in here so that we can avoid complete rewritings as much as possible, but I welcome any comments to this framework or edits. --InspectorTiger (talk) 21:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

France

It would appear that France is one of the littoral countries of the North Sea but it is not included in the first sentence.Eregli bob (talk) 15:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but only just. Mentioning it may imply that all of France's coast is on the North Sea, whereas it is actually only a very small part. Bazonka (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

'If we have to mention France and the North Sea (sorry, but it just isn't a Northsea nation for me) then maybe the geopolitics behind it, and also explain away how places like Deal and Margate are considered lying on the English channel even though they lie somewhat to the north of northernmost (North Sea lying) bit of France. '''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.210.155 (talk) 13:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC) [reply]

About 45km of France's coast is on the North Sea, and Deal and Margate are definitely not on the English Channel. Who says that they are? Bazonka (talk) 17:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maps less than satisfactory?

With regard to the map currently sitting in the 'economy' section, it would be useful to know what the black line running through various countries is - I'm presuming it's the drainage divide. If confirmed we should label it though perhaps for the purposes of the section one without that adornment might suffice. The drainga ebasin is dealt with elsewhere.

As regards the 'geology' section, I'm not convinced the existing map is helpful or relevant as the map covers much of Europe, N Africa and the Middle East and the N Sea is in one small corner.

Can anyone improve the article on either count? - my own abilities with images on WP are limited! cheers 11:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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Less known German name

I don't know, how to handle the knowledge, or better, where the right place to right is, but I don't think, it's unimportant. A more or less uncommon German name is "Blanker Hans" (means: "bare/naked Hans"). It's only known in north Germany, if it's known. Also it's used in the poem "Trutz Blanker Hans" (resist Blanker Hans), an poem about the town "Rungholdt", which was destroyed by a North Sea's storm.79.194.208.144 (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a real name, or just a nickname? If the latter, I don't think it should be mentioned. If it's a proper name, then we would need a reliable source before it can be included, and even then I'm not convinced that it's relevant for an English-language encyclopedia. Let's see the source first though. Bazonka (talk) 18:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

German Sea

Historically was it called the German Sea. Like the "Irish Sea". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.142 (talk) 13:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is already mentioned in the article. Bazonka (talk) 22:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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North Sea didn't protect Britain from invasion until the Romans

The article now states that "The British Isles had been protected from invasion by the North Sea waters until the Roman conquest of Britain in 43 CE". That's nonsense of course. There have been numerous invasions into Britain before those time, the latest before the Romans were by some Belgic tribes just 1 or 2 centuries earlier. Another major invasion that we now of is are those by the Beaker people. JRB-Europe (talk)

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