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Category:Michael Faraday Award Winners

Rename to Category:Michael Faraday Prize winners, to match the Michael Faraday Prize. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Albums by record labels

Convention is to use the word "Records" in the category if the name of the label includes it (see Category:Albums by record label). I would suggest that the old categories redirect to the new ones to prevent duplication. —taestell 23:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images of the Northern Territory

Category:Images of the Northern Territory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category is empty apart from three Commons-hosted images. The images are all categorized on Commons, and this en category is redundant. Also nominating the en image description pages.Nilfanion (talk) 23:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Polymaths subcategories

category:Polymaths was recently emptied and marked {{deletedcategory}} following this discussion, but the subcategories were not dealt with.
See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of polymaths for the reasons given for the deletion of the article on the same topic. In essence it is a matter of opinion, and of course these people should have sufficient categories already.

Category:Unofficial Mario platform games

Due to a lot of recent deletions, this category is practically empty now and probably shouldn't exist. Andre (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Games made with Game Maker

Due to a lot of recent deletions, this category is practically empty now and probably shouldn't exist. Andre (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional babies

Category:Fictional babies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, Way to similar to a category that I created. I consider babies to be children and there was a reason the age categories were deleted. Hmrox 21:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians born in 1996

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was category speedily deleted per privacy. David Kernow (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, see Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy. -- ProveIt (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The Nickelodeon Wikiproject

Delete, as unused by Wikipedia:The Nickelodeon Wikiproject. -- ProveIt (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:RENT

Category:RENT (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete This is the only subcategory of Category:Broadway musicals and it is a precedent that should not be followed as some Broadway veterans could end up in dozens of such categories. The relevant links should just be given in the article. Piccadilly 19:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iranian directors

Listify, empty duplicate of Category:Iranian film directors. -- ProveIt (talk) 19:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Livonia Franklin High School

Delete, Franklin High School (Livonia, Michigan) doesn't need a category. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actors by role and subcategories

A specific role does not usually define an actor's career. There may be a few actors who are mainly known for one role, but there are thousands who might end up a category of this kind for a largely forgotten role while there will be no category for their better known one-off roles. That sort of skewing of the selections of categories at the bottom of articles is undesirable.

There may be additional categories that are not in Category:Actors by role, so if you support deletion and are aware of any such, please add them to the list.

  • Delete all as nom. Landolitan 18:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep all. The categories were not created arbitrarily; these are significant - perhaps iconic - dramatic roles; more often than not the fact someone has played one of these characters is enough to ensure their fame in a particular arena or give them an iconic status of sorts; ask any classic horror fan who Glenn Strange is, for instance. Of the above, I'd say at the very least Dracula, Frankenstein's monster, Sherlock Holmes, Jekyll and Hyde and Dr Watson fall into that "iconic" category. David L Rattigan 19:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
PS. I'd at least ask people to consider each category on its individual merits, as some are (to me at least) clearly more useful and appropriate than others. For example, Frankenstein himself has rarely had the same iconic status as his monster, so I find that category less useful. David L Rattigan 20:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Video-Forum

Category:The Video-Forum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, Another category created by User:Farhangnama, a newbie who seems to be solely here to promote a German artist, Shahram Entekhabi - who coincidentally the only member of this category. First edit of this category contained copious text explaining what the video forum is and it really doesn't deserve a category. Spondoolicks 18:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of Java APIs

Rename to Category:Java APIs, convention of Category:Application programming interfaces. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military use of children

Category:Military use of children (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, What is this for? Even after all the extraneous text is removed I can't see what purpose it will serve. Only article in this category is apparently an artist, Shahram Entekhabi - nothing in his article about military use of children and (newbie) creator of this category has also made some other unhelpful edits (see The Video-Forum cfd above). Spondoolicks 18:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, but first we should help the newbie how to make a new article and show him how to look if there's already one on the same topic to which s/he can contribute. I don't think User:Farhangnama is the same as User:213.122.9.182 because one completely replaced the text of the other one. The welcome provided on User talk:Farhangnama was well meant but probably too much info at once for most people. It seems s/he simply hasn't understood that categories are not articles. And comments like It has been deleted under both A1 and A7 of WP:CSD. are not the way to talk to newbies... I've moved the text to Talk:Military use of children and told him/her where it is. --Espoo 20:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pirelli Calendar models

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The result of the debate was speedy delete (db-author) and protect. David Kernow (talk) 02:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Ok, I created this category and I think the information it could provide is useful, but after giving some thought to the matter of wanting to keep model categories limited, I agree with deleting it - the purpose would seem better served by creating a list of Pirelli models, much as was done for Playboy models. --Nschloes 05:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, quick, kill it now, before it spreads. We've done this before. Eventually one very popular model ended up in over 70 categories. The whole thing bacame useless and we ended up deleting nearly every model category. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:K.Viswanath films

Rename to Category:Films directed by K. Viswanath, convention of Category:Films by director. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional blasphemous characters

Delete, I see blasphemy as a POV dependant thing. How should we decide who should be included? -- ProveIt (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bengali Nobel Laureates

Delete, as overcategorization, there are already cats for both Bangladesh and India. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That renaming shouldn't be a problem. Idleguy 18:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep: Bengali is a ethnic group; it really doesn't matter that there are categories for Indian and Bangladeshi nobel winners. There are things that these two categories can't express. For example, Rabindranath Tagore was an Indian (of united India) and also Bengali by ethnicity. Amartya Sen is a Bengali by ethnicity, born in West Bengal (later part of India), but his family is from what is now Bangladesh. How would Amartya Sen be classified? Classifying only as "Indian" hides the fact that he is one of the Bengali nobel laureates in terms of ethnicity. In the whole of south asia, Bengalis have the largest number of Nobel laureates than any other ethnic group. The ethnicity here is different from nationality (which in other cases, such as Dutch are both the same, but it's different here). So, the two nation categories do not by themselves convey the same meaning as this ethno-centric category. Thanks. --Ragib 07:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Ragib. As a matter of fact, this cat should be an intersecting set for both Indian and B'deshi cats. Laureates like Rabindranath Tagore lived and died before India's independence and Bangladesh's creation. It is fair to say that Tagore was Indian, but the part that became Bangladesh was not separate from Tagore's Bengal, so Tagore and B'Desh are correlated. Rama's arrow 15:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Bengali and Tamil ethnic groups are the only two in the Indian subcontinent to have earned Nobel Prizes. Also rAgib and Rama's arrow have said enough, and my views are redundant.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Antisemitism

Redirect to Category:Anti-Semitism. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sticking with normal English spelling rather than POV-pushing attempts to change usage is more important in categories because category redirects don't work as well. Gene Nygaard 20:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First, it doesn't make any sense to keep the spelling for a Cat. different from articles. Second, regarding "normal English spelling": as it's been noted, both spellings are perfectly acceptable, and many academics prefer the unhyphenated one. In any case, people stated their reasons/opinions and voted and while everyone is entitled to their POV, accusing others in "POV-pushing attempts" is as helpful as waving a fist after a fight. Third: is there an automated way to move Category:Anti-Semitism to Category:Antisemitism? Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with redirects isn't in not being able to move them. The problem is that if the soft redirect is used, it doesn't redirect but just goes to a category with a link to the proper one, and it is categorized only in the wrong one. FOr example, now Category:Convents only has one parent category, Category:Places of Worship, and it doesn't appear in Category:Religious places. Gene Nygaard 08:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gene, you're just trying to use this as a back-door way of undoing a previous consensus decision that didn't go your way. It's unseemly. Jayjg (talk) 23:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He might, but I'm not. Put the article up for a move again and I'll go for returning it to standard. Just tell me when.--T. Anthony 14:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Like you said, "both spellings are perfectly acceptable", and like I said, the "anti-Semitism" spelling is much more often used. Add to that the insistence of the editors of anti-Semitism in changing the actual title of the U.S. State Department's "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" to "Report on Global Antisemitism" four times (I fixed one of them), and the fact of POV-pushing is certainly satisifed to my standards. Gene Nygaard 13:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone made an honest mistake while making a tedious job. It's OK for people to disagree, but please WP:AGF. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. "Antisemitism" is a perfectly acceptable nd less confusing spelling. I don't see a compelling reason to keep inconsistency. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think at times Wikipedians are so literal minded they must be disproportionately autistic. (My nephew has Asperger's so please don't take this as an insult) Maybe in a literal minded way "Antisemitism" makes more sense, but this is the English-language Wikipedia and 100% literal-mindedness is not a feature of this language. In addition to that putting a hyphen after "anti" is standard when you want to imply negativity. If we go by antiparticle then antisemitism should mean "corresponding to semitic languages there is associated antisemitic languages with the same nouns, but opposite verbs" or some such.--T. Anthony 00:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in academia more or less. There is no academic concensus. You can believe that this term will soon predominate, but I see no evidence it has yet. That people at the article was convinced there was a concensus is interesting, but not conclusive.--T. Anthony 00:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm confused about why this is being raised. There was recently a poll that decided to use the term "antisemitism" on Wikipedia, rather than "anti-Semitism," and this is now being applied through the encyclopedia for consistency. The reason for choosing "antisemitism," as one word, is that that's how most academics write it. Perhaps the nominator wasn't aware of the decision? SlimVirgin (talk) 23:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm the nominator and really my only goal was to clean up the uncategorized categories list by removing the duplicate category. It seems to me that both terms are used, so one should redirect to the other. As to which direction to merge, I'm ok either way. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, and no, I wasn't aware of the poll. When there's an old cat and a new dupe, I usually suggest merging the new into the established one, and that's what I did. If I had known about the poll, I probably would have suggested the other way initially, but as I said before, I could live with either outcome. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is not what most academics used nor did the poll at the article prove this. The posters claimed scholars prefer "antisemitism" without any evidence whatsoever. In addition one or two votes revolved around "this will get rid of the pesky complaints about Arabs being Semites too" even though I don't see how it even does that.--T. Anthony 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We already had a poll and the result was quite conclusive. Perhaps some were not aware of it, and some were unhappy with it, but I think this issue is being raised here because after the poll we did not move quick enough to edit hundreds of articles. I was/am looking for an automated solution. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware of the poll, but looking at it the results were not initially that conclusive. It changed later based on an unproved, and I would go so far as to say wrong, notion that "scholarly literature favors the unhyphenated term." In addition to that you didn't deal with what I said. The poll did not show that a concensus of academics prefer this spelling, it only showed that Wikipedians decided to believe it did. As such it's more an example of wikiality than evidence. Show that the poll proved anything on "Antisemitism" being the preferred term in academia and we'll talk. --T. Anthony 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some authorities on the subject (e.g. Yehuda Bauer & Emil Fackenheim) prefer unhyphenated spelling. Others may prefer hyphenated spelling. Both are acceptable. There's been a poll already at Talk:Antisemitism#Survey, and the initiator of this thread did not know about it, so what's the point to do this again? ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of further conversation with you? Probably no point at all.--T. Anthony 04:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Survivors of the 19th century

Delete, per Wikipedia policy, see related discussion. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 16:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep I fail to see any reason whatsoever why this should be deleted. We have categories for survivors of silent films and surviving First World War veterans without any problems. It would tell us who the oldest people in the world are and so could last for about 10 years. Upkeep is obviously not an issue and I'm confident this will be of great use and interest to a lot of users, except the minority of users who want to delete categories like this. What an absurd and outrageous proposal. --Dovea 17:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't personally mind it, I just know that it's against policy to classify people based on living and deceased. So, either we change the policy or we kill the category. I understand the reasons for the general policy, and I don't think it's likely to change. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kill the Cat, reconcile with Category:Centenarians. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's something about the policy that's wrong if we can't even create categories like this. --Dovea 16:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Right or wrong it's likely the policy will win out. The results were mixed at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 26#Category:Living_centenarians, although delete had more votes than keep, but the judgment was merge anyway. It might be more honest to just not discuss the matter when the result is predetermined, but still I guess protocol is protocol. I'll nominate the rest of the "surviving" categories as this seems to be the judgment.--T. Anthony 07:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Objectively, the category's title makes no sense. It almost sounds as though it refers to anyone currently living or dead who was alive on 1 Jan 1900 or 1 Jan 1901 (depending on what your definition is for the end of the 19th century). Given that it refers to living people born in the 19th century, it still seems like it is not useful, as it will simply become depopulated over time. George J. Bendo 21:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or at least rename, per George. David Kernow (talk) 01:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Cloachland 02:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This seems to be a recreation of the Living centarians, that was rather recently deleted. - jc37 12:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete as recreation. Pavel Vozenilek 16:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can't believe the ignorance of some of these comments. This is no re-creation of living centenarians. Centenarians are for over 100s. You have to be older than that to have been born in the 19th century. Of course it will become depopulated over time (just as survivors of silent films and surviving First World War veterans will [for which we have an excellent article]), but this category could last at least a decade. Dovea 10:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's just a random matter of timing that such a category exists. If Wikipedia had started half way through a century it would not. These people are not worth connecting with one another. All that is needed is a note on who the world's oldest two or three living people are, which I am sure exists in an article. Metthurst 06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cancelled Batman films

Delete, seems like overcategorization to me. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cool Chefs

Delete, how do we decide which ones are cool. Seems like POV to me. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Subways

Rare term. Metro is more widespread around the world. Elk Salmon 14:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I could see that working. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 16:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong rename. The term "subway" has different meanings in different countries. In some, it is a pedestrian underpass. The term metro, however, is in widespread use and is understood even in countries where it is not the principal term in use. Grutness...wha? 21:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • What about local usage? Transport vs. transportation being one example? Vegaswikian 06:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've no objection to individual categories by location having local usage names. There's nothing wrong with "Subways in the United States", or "Metros in Europe". Some one overall name for the overall category is needed, though - and the one which is understood by more people and is less ambiguous would make sense as being the one to use. And since the term subway means a pedestrian underpass in some countries, it clearly fails the latter criterion. Grutness...wha? 22:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, David Kernow's suggested name (below) is better still, so I'd support that over metros. Grutness...wha? 07:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moderate Rename. Through this site, you can see that a majority of the world's subway/metro systems use "Metro" in their names or the letter "M" in some variation. I agree, since I am in the U.S., that the term "subway" is more recognizable, but to an American, not globally. A suggestion for a rename would probably be :Mass Transit Systems or Underground Railways or Metro-Subway Systems. Note: it should be named with some respect to the origins of the modern-day underground rail system (from England).Herenthere 00:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stong rename as "metro" is far less ambiguous. Timrollpickering 18:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong renameThe primary meaning of subway in my country is pedestrian underpass.Merchbow 18:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - In the United Kingdom, "subway" is used to refer to an underground walkway (such as one that passes under a busy urban street). The category's name will not make sense, although I do not know if "metro system" is better. (I could also mention the sandwich shop, but that would just be silly.) George J. Bendo 21:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Education in Ancient Greece

Probably many other categories and page titles still need to get CfD templates or get RMs. It'd be good to get this done once and for all, but i'll need help. Here are some that i haven't added templates to or placed in RM:

  • Rename, All equivalent categories with "ancient Greece", "ancient Rome", "ancient Egypt", etc. and "ancient Greeks" etc. not at the beginning of the category name should not be spelled with a capital "Ancient". In the case of "ancient" + people name in the singular, e.g. "ancient Greek", one has to make sure this is not a reference to a language because "Ancient Greek" etc. is correct (both as noun and adjective) when talking about languages. This is the policy in the articles themselves on the basis of well-established use as shown by Britannica and the reputable sites listed here and (badly) implied in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters). Please help add similar categories to this umbrella nomination now and clear directions at the WP manual so this doesn't have to be rediscussed many times and doesn't continue to waste huge amounts of editing time and efforts in the articles. --Espoo 14:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename + Comment: This is a problem in the article space as well; "ancient" has been wrongly capitalized in plenty of titles. --Akhilleus (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Yes, i noticed your efforts along those lines while fixing the same problem in many articles. Since you seem to agree and don't want to waste time correcting article errors caused by incorrect titles (and engaging in unnecessary discussions), you probably want to add a "Rename" here, not just a comment. --Espoo 19:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
fixed. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Rename - Since it's a capitalisation issue of "ancient". - jc37 12:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I fully recognize the reasons for this move, and for the standardization of a lowercase "ancient". I simply wanted to point out, as the creator of the categories of "Ancient Japan", "Classical Japan", etc, I capitalized these things in order to enforce the idea that they are titles of historical periods, much like Pre-Columbian and Colonial America, and Communist China. But anyway, I'm not voting against; I'll gladly & faithfully abide by the standards dictated by consensus. LordAmeth 21:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you meant "illustrate" or "clarify", not "enforce", which is not the job of an encyclopedia or, in fact, even of modern dictionaries, which are all descriptive. The accepted practice in this field (as shown by Britannica and those university and museum sites i found) seems to demand that the examples you give and in fact most historical periods be spelled without capitalisation. The only exceptions to this default rule seem to be major geological eras (even those unknown to the general public) and only those historical periods that are well-known and used in general English. The reason "Communist China" is capitalised is not because it can be used as the name for a period but because it's the name of a country and therefore a proper noun (despite not being the official name of the country). I guess the reasoning is that all periods unknown to the general public are essentially descriptive and not really proper nouns; this is especially true of periods that are not clearly defined or that are defined in different ways by different authorities. http://today.uci.edu/resources/word.asp?key=370 says: historical periods and events Capitalize names of widely recognized epochs in history: the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Civil War, the Atomic Age, Prohibition, the Great Depression. Capitalize only the proper name in general descriptions of a period: medieval France, the Victorian era, the fall of Rome. For additional guidance, follow the capitalization in Webster’s New World Dictionary. Looks like there is a huge amount of cleaning up to do on WP and the misspelling of "ancient" is only the tip of the iceberg...
History of Japan now has a chaotic mixture of "Kofun Period" and " Kofun period" for this and other terms whereas the table on that page has everything correctly without capitalisation. --Espoo 08:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional elementals

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The result of the debate was duplicate, already being deleted --Kbdank71 18:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional elementals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Your There was originally a discussion about what would happen to this, and it was agreed "something would happen to it". Those plans would appear to have fallen through. It now serves no purpose ("elementals" are absorbed by "fictional characters with the power to manipulate..." etc.) An "elemental", to me, is also impossible to define. . ~ZytheTalk to me! 13:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Political parties in Catalan Countries

Category:Youth wings of political parties in Catalan Countries

Category:Political parties in Catalan Countries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Youth wings of political parties in Catalan Countries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
POV-pushing n categorization. The concept of PP.CC. is far from overwhelmingly accepted the the areas of the proposed PP.CC., and should not be used for categorization by country categories. Soman 09:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fresh water islands of Scotland

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The result of the debate was rename (actually, just reverse the sense of the {{category redirect}}). --RobertG ♬ talk 10:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fresh water islands of Scotland to Category:Freshwater islands of Scotland

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Category:People from Motherwell

Category:People from Motherwell into Category:Natives of North Lanarkshire

  • Merge, As with People from Arbroath, the category is small without much potential for growth. It is also inconsistent with the general trend for categorising people by Scottish settlement, where only the 4 proper cities have a separate "people from" page, all other smaller settlements (such as Motherwell) presently being covered by "natives of (local council area)" categories. Caledonian Place 06:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The proposal is inconsistent with the global trend to classify people by town. Personally I think this is a better option than cross-categorisation by sub-national place and occupation, as some people could end up in numerous cross categories. Osomec 14:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If the consensus is to classify people by town, should this be instead of council area? If not, this creates extra levels of categorisation that you are keen to avoid (eg. Robin Cook would be in both "Natives of North Lanarkshire" (as presently) and a future "People from Bellshill", and he could conceivably also be included in "People from Edinburgh", given he lived most of his life there). If categorisation by town replaced categorisation by council area, is there a minimum settlement size at which this process would stop, ie. should a settlement which has less than 10k inhabitants have a category, or should the criterion be 1k+ to warrant a category? At the moment there are people classified in the "natives of (local council area)" whose place of birth/residency is so small as to not even have a Wikipedia article, let alone a category (eg. Willie MacFadyen) or who were born in an isolated country house {eg. John Gibson Lockhart) and will never fit into a town/city category.
Until the creation of the categories "People from Motherwell" and "People from Arbroath", all Scottish categorisation was by council area. (please see Category:Scottish people by council area) There also exists a Category:People by city in Scotland, however, the only previously existing "People from (city)" categories were for the 4 large Scottish cities (Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow), which happen to have specific city councils, ensuring there was no city/council cross-over. My initial suggestion was that this system worked well in a Scottish context, with few other Scottish settlements having a large enough number of notable natives/residents to warrant an individual category. Caledonian Place 00:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Natives of Foo, has a huge problem dealing with people who live in a place they were not born in. Also many times this leads to an issue where you know where someone lives, but not where they were born. How do you categorize them then? -- ProveIt (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine winners

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The result of the debate was merge & delete as recreated category (actually, on reflection, I think it best to convert it to a {{category redirect}}). --RobertG ♬ talk 10:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Nobel laureates in Physiology or Medicine, for Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. -- ProveIt (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Preacher's Kid

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Preacher's Kid (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, classifying people based on their parent's occupation seems like a bad idea, both as far as proliferation of categories and not being a central characteristic of a person. This particularly category and name also has a stereotypical connotation to it (as opposed to, say, Children of clergy). Mairi 06:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sure there is! The person can tell us (if living), or biographers will note it. It is often very significant!! Pastorwayne 15:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Arbroath

Category:People from Arbroath into Category:Natives of Angus

  • Merge, I would contend that the category is small without potential for growth. It is also inconsistent with the general trend for categorising people by Scottish settlement, where only the cities have a seperate "people from" page, all other smaller settlements (such as Arbroath) presnetly being covered by "natives of (council area)" categories. Caledonian Place 06:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per my comments 3 items up. Osomec 14:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Methodism

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Methodism to Category:United Methodist Church

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Category:Companies without an unabbreviated name & Category:Orphan initialisms

Category:Companies without an unabbreviated name (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Orphan initialisms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Merge into new category. The first category has the disadvantage of being exlusive to companies. The later appears to be a neologism. I propose something like Initialisms without long forms for the new name. —taestell 05:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Taestell. --Bill Clark 07:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep separate, and Delete only Category:Orphan initialisms - These are two entirely different categories. One is about groups (companies) whose names are initials, and the other refers to groups which used to be known by initials, but those initials have now become ambiguous, (so apparently they don't anymore?). The first is a useful reference, the second would seem to be POV. - jc37 12:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Both categories are about initials/acronyms that have evolved, for various reasons, and no longer stand for what they used to. The problem with the first category is that it is limited to companies, and articles like ACT (examination) can not be included. The second category does not limit itself to companies, but it uses a neologism in its name, which should be avoided. The best solution, then, would be a merge. --taestell 06:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Except that's not what the first one is, as I mentioned above. It's about companies whose acronym name is the actual name of the company. That's quite different from acronyms which "someone" is claiming are becoming ambiguous (the latter category). - jc37 07:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • The acronym is the actual name of the company... meaning that the original phrase is no longer used. Meaning the acronym can stand on its own, and is no longer tied to what it stood for. In other words, the name of the company is an orphan initialism. The two categories really do cover the same ground. The majority of articles that belong to one group could be included in the other one. —taestell 06:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Polonism

Category:Anti-Polonism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete This seems little more than a forum for nationalist sounding off, misrepresentation of motives, formerly through its placement in Category:Racism (which I have removed) libel, and in the case of Polish plumber sense of humour failure. Cloachland 03:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't actually think this category is bad. I mention the others as a kind of "citing precedent." I think there are people who could be deemed anti-Polish as in having an actual ethnic hostility. Not as in "I don't like the way the Polish government is ran and Polish food gives me gas" or something.--T. Anthony 14:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because I think this is just in need of clean-up, and is valid enough, per T. Anthony's comments above. If you feel I am incorrect, please enlighten me. : ) - jc37 01:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Most any subcategory of Category:Prejudices and Category:Anti-national sentiment has the potential of misuse. You just work to fix it. I've tried to remove most that seem invalid and it wasn't at all hard to do. (I kept Polish plumber as it seems possibly relevant to me)--T. Anthony 11:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Almost all the entries are tendentious. For example many Poles were killed in the Katyn Massacre, but then the Bolsheviks were brutes who were ready to kill anyone. Did they have deep-seated national prejudices against every national group in Eastern Europe and Central Asia? I would say probably not. Landolitan 14:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm removing all non-relevant ones I can find and replacing a few with relevant articles. (This category will still likely lose out in the end, but I gave it a shot)--T. Anthony 15:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I revised some of your removals and revised them in cases where based on my knowledge the given article describes an event which affected many Poles on purpose.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks--T. Anthony 17:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Superman Returns

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Superman Returns (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:October Birthdays

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:October birthdays. Not much better than the astrological signs. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Hollywood Filmmakers

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:New Hollywood filmmakers, already a list in the New Hollywood article. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Georgia Tech

Category:Georgia Tech to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology
Category:Georgia Tech alumni to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology alumni
Category:Georgia Tech People to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology people
Category:Georgia Tech Sports to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology sports

Often there will be a faculty, category, see Category:Faculty by university in the United States. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Does that "Faculty" category typically include past and present faculty? i.e., if someone was a physics professor at GT in 1970, you'd add them to that one? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 15:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we don't classify as current / former due to upkeep issues. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Georgia Tech People to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology faculty
Category:Georgia Tech People to Category:Georgia Institute of Technology presidents
—Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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