Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1989 Swiss Army order of battle

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The result was keep. No support for deletion. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1989 Swiss Army order of battle

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Other 1989 Orders of battles are NATO or NATO-friendly countries. Switzerland is a neutral country for ages and such an ORBAT is unecessary and the entry lacks sources. Sammartinlai (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Sammartinlai (talk) 02:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:29, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Source Switzerland was under threat of attack from the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact just as all the other Western European countries were. A global war was a distinct possibility, and most 1989 orbats are notable. The entry will need to sourced however over time, however - Noclador, comments? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 09:04, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Switzerland was a neutral country with a military strength to rival Germany. It has a war time strength of 625,000 men (more than i.e. Italy) and built around 16,000 bunkers and underground air bases. Plus the Swiss defense concept of Armee 61 with it's fortress brigades, frontier brigades, field divisions, mechanized divisions, mountain divisions, reduit brigades and territorial zones (reserve divisions), was along with the Austrian defense concept one of the most interesting of the Cold War. (in short: frontier brigades would slow down the enemy, field divisions and mountain divisions would grind down the enemy, mechanized divisions would counter attack the enemy, territorial zones (brigade-sized) for rear area security in the operational areas of the above units, and fortress brigades to block the key valleys leading into the reduit, which was defended by the reduit brigades). One day I will find the time to expand this article and source it. noclador (talk) 11:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the link to the German article about de:Armee 61. noclador (talk) 11:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll trust you two to work on it.Sammartinlai (talk) 11:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you intending the above as a withdrawal of this nomination Sammartinlai? --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 08:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will let an admin decide. Sammartinlai (talk) 08:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I've no particular opinion about the notability of this type of article, although it should definitively be sourced per WP:V during this AfD if it is to be kept. But Switzerland was as much set up for the Cold War as the other European countries at that time, if not more so, and as such if the other ORBATs from that era are kept this one should be too. Sandstein 10:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.