Talk:Condoleezza Rice

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roles and cultural orientation

Since Rice's cultural orientation is largely skewed toward Central America, the assessment of the performance of her international roles would include African-American criticism. 15:51, 23 August 2006 Beadtot (Talk | contribs) (roles and cultural orientation)

GA

This article is most certainly a good article. I think it is good enough to be a FA, though some might complain about the recent edit war, despite it seeming to have ended.Some P. Erson 17:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd wait another two weeks at least before taking this article to FAC. That should fulfill stability requirements, barring an unforeseen flareup. -Fsotrain₀₉ 19:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Cultural/Ethnic/Racial description as an "African-American"

I have trouble understanding what is the substance of the term "African-American" in general. When used in connection with Condollezza Rice I get even more confused. Condi seems to have racial features accross the board so it is not a racial description after all?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.239.129.42 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Condoleezza Rice is an "African American" in the sense that her great-great grandparents on both sides of her family originated from the continent of Africa, and in the sense that she is an American citizen. Therefore, she is an "African American". I don't know what other racial description you could use to classify her. Is this what you mean? --Ai.kefu 00:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

--Vandalism-- 70114205215 said: "Dear Apple Rancher: Please stop vandalizing the Condi Rice page as you did today. Also, Don't go on the Condi Rice Talk page and claim that you fixed the vandalism that you created. -- 70114205215 19:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)"

Very funny. Since you saw my comment about my repair to the Rice page "today" (the day I fixed it) It is probable that you were watching the site. Since you have no concern about asserting that I vandalized the page without any cause for such assertion, I find it likely that you were the culprit (the fact that you have registered under a string of numbers also indicates that you have no personal interest in the site, its community or its purpose of providing accurate information). Given that you have nothing to do but vandalize the work of others and watch all day to see if anyone notices, I suspect that you are either a bureaucrat or unemployed. Either way I feel sorry for you.

Please watch this site for future vandalism. It also might become necessary to check into user names that are all numbers or that appear to be randomly generated to see if they are posting to regularly vandalized pages. Apple Rancher 02:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Condi's talent: Rhetorical skills/spin?

1. Bush administration first 8 months: holiday at Crawford? Condolleezza Rice has tried to defend Bush administrations passivity before 9/11/2001[[1]]. It is arguable that she seems to deliver a substantive rebuttal, but as we check the facts we realize that she did not. However, she did succeeded rhetorically during the performance.

2. Foreign policy skills. Codoleezza failed to get anything right Israel adn Lebanon. She didn't manage to buy time for a military solution and she failed to bring US in as the mediator after the military solution came to a dead end. Instead the middle ground of diplomacy in ME has been lost to EU and it's partly socvialist govenrments. How about quiting diplomacy and working for Rummy instead?

3. Russia? Well, there she went again rambling about her competence in Russian affairs after 2000 elections. And now after 6 years of Condi's advice Russia has EU and China by the balls - and US waisting money to get alternative oil from Iraq...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.239.129.42 (talk • contribs) 02:09, September 27, 2006 (UTC)

Please keep discussion directly related to the Condoleezza Rice article. --ElKevbo 13:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts on going for FAC

How do editors feel about this now? The editwar has been over for a few weeks, and the article is largely stable at this point, allowing for the vandalism-draw of the subject's notability. Would a few more days or weeks be good, or should we try taking this to FAC now? -Fsotrain₀₉ 15:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

There are still quite a lot of formatting issues: refs should come after a comma or period, but not before. Under #Academic career, "The school at that time was running a deficit of $20 million" requires a citaiton. The #Business career also needs a bit of citing. I was suprised to see that she was one of the board of directors for HP. Iolakana•T 18:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should try and work towards nominating this article to FA status. By that, we should seek some of the more experienced editors' advice on how to improve this article, and once we feel that there are no substantive flaws, then we can finally submit it for FA. But I think it's time now that we should push really hard to perfect this article and make it FA-worthy, definitely. The editwar has been over for about two months, actually. I'd say this article is stable enough, has a good enough reputation as a GA, and is close enough to acceptable that it wouldn't take an immense deal of work to finally make it a FA. --Ai.kefu 05:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

What was the revert war about? Iolakana•T 20:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• Feast your eyes on Talk:Condoleezza Rice/archive2 and Talk:Condoleezza Rice/archive3. --Dystopos 22:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

"Incomprehensible" Quote, Woodward's proof

So the NY Times has broken the story, just hours after Rice's denial, that she was, as Bob Woodward's book reported, briefed by George Tenent on July 10th, 2001 about the immenent threat that Al Qaeda posed. She said yesterday (Oct. 1, '06) that it was "incomprehensible" that she ignored the threats 2 months before the Sept.11 attacks. "I would remember if I was told, as this account apparently says, that there was about to be an attack in the United States, and the idea that I would somehow have ignored that I find incomprehensible," Rice said. Well, it just got a lot more comprehensible. If there was ever an item that needs to be added to the 'criticisms' section, it's this. Condi Rice, 'did not recall' such a meeting, while Tennent felt they were getting the "brush off," which apparently they were, considering Rice doesn't even recall being warned. There is now conclusive proof that this meeting did occur, according to White House records, according to Sean McCormack, a State Dept. Spokesperson. This info needs to be added, as it's a relevant crticism: Rice was warned, 2 months prior to 9/11, that Al Qaeada was planning an attack, possibly on American soil, and she ignored it. When this was brought up in Bob Woodward's book, Rice denied it happened, until White House records proved her wrong. This is relevant because she was the National Security Advisor at the time, so she was in a position to do something with this information, but didn't. We could also add this to the page on Woodward's book, as it proves him right. Here's a link to the article. [2] 70.104.134.105 00:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)TS (Oct. 2, '06)

I believe that issue should be covered in the article, but not in above manner of 70.104.134.105. Clearly the above representation is POV and conclusionary. Woodward does not more proof of the way things happened than anyone else. It is just ludicrous to assume that if Woodward says it, its true. Besides, it is not up to mere Wikipedians to decide what it true and what is not true, that is inherently POV, just like the above commentary of 70.104.134.105.--Getaway 13:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong w/70.104.135.105's representation. clearly it is factual, empirical, verifiable, NPOV, chronlogical. It's ludicrous to give a single person of questionable credibility whose assertions are contradicted by the official record the same weight as multiple people with high credibility whose assertions are verified by the official record. Kevin Baas^talk 22:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know exactly what you are talking about, but it is a fact that Richard Ben-Veniste, a partisan Democratic political hack and a member of the 911 Commission has backed up Condi Rice's version of the story today. The meeting was disclosed the 911 Commission and there turns out not to be an issue here other than an attempt by some Democrats to create a false story to damage Rice and the Republicans right before an election. Yawn. Please review this article: The independent Sept. 11, 2001, commission was given the same “scary” briefing about an imminent al Qaida attack on a U.S. target that was presented to the White House two months before the attacks, but failed to disclose the warning in its 428-page report.

Re: Katrina Criticisms

Changed one word regarding Rice's activities during Hurricane Katrina and kept the citation intact, but rather within the confines of a redirect to Snopes (which quotes the same source). This change is both public and more NPOV than the previous entry. -PJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obiwanjacoby (talk • contribs) 02:34, October 8, 2006 (UTC)

Please finish changing the reference citation if you're going to use Snopes as the reference. It is unacceptable to state that the reference is from one source when the URL is for a different source.

And please sign your posts (with four tildes: ~~~~). --ElKevbo 07:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, response sent. Obiwanjacoby 03:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)Obiwanjacoby

To-Do for Article Improvement

From both the automated Peer review and user comments:

• Trim the lead, making sure it summarizes the article
• Cleanup WP:MOS issues: only full dates and years/decades/centuries providing context should be linked; remove relative time phrases and instances of "^th" from dates
• Condense the ToC: combine shorter sections and/or spin out daughter articles (political stances and the early life and education sections were suggested as candidates for that)
• Make sure each section is in Summary style.
• Get reliable references for statements in the "Criticisms" section
• Remove embedded links in the article, move to "External links" section if necessary
• Remove weasel words and redundancies
• Thorough copy-editing, including checking for use of non-breaking spaces

-Fsotrain⁰⁹ 17:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this worth adding somewhere?

• Secretary Rice's view of the world Interview by Cal Thomas

Asteriks 00:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

politics?

I know this is probably an abuse of the WP discussion but does anyone know about her politics? Every time someone asks me why I think Condi shud be prez I'd like to come up w/ a different answer than the fact that she is a black female and it's be cool to have an ethnic female president of the USA. So does anyone wanna leave what she thinks about gun control, abortion, same-sex marriage, the whole shabang on my talk page for my user page @ The Texas Drama King

Nancy Pelosi

I've twice removed additions that add mention of Nancy Pelosi in relation to Rice's current status as the "highest ranking woman ever." If someone else readds the information I won't remove it again as I will obviously be in the minority. I simply don't think it's necessary, helpful, or even particularly informative to add this information to this article. When Pelosi takes over as House Speaker then this article can be updated. Until then I think this info should remain out. But that's just my opinion and I'm not going to live or die over this issue as it's not that important or critical. --ElKevbo 22:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Somehow Condi's picture was replaced with Gary Coleman's with an equally silly caption underneath, I have removed this vandalism. Shanew2 13:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism?

For some reason when I loaded this page, all that came up was "omg why is this what other countries have to deal with lol shes so fuckin ugly with a gap in her teeth"

I see no picture or anything else. But when I went to edit the page, everything seemed fine?