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FALSE STATEMENT in the "First things first"

The article says: "Priority should be given in the following order:

   1) Important and Urgent
   2) Important and not Urgent
   3) Not Important and Urgent
   4) Not Important and not Urgent"

If I remember correctly, Covey underlines that the best leaders, in fact, put most of their attention to quadrant 2 (Important and not Urgent). This way the important stuff never becomes urgent. I.e. she can truly be a proactive leader instead of just constantly "putting out fires". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.59.206.179 (talk) 13:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another vote for a Criticism section

And it reads like an advert or publisher's blurb. --78.147.28.172 (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chase is weird --Thesoupnzi (talk) 00:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The opening says the book was first published in 1939, when the author would have been a child. I'm thinking the correct date is 1989, as it is in the information column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.211.185.217 (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is this article even close to NPOV?! It reads like an advertisement. The guy couldn't even come up with a sensical definition of proactive, for Pete's sake!66.170.219.136 (talk) 00:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to vote for a criticism section. I recently was forced to study this in a mandatory work environment. I would like to see criticisms on this training. It makes the claim of life changing results, and a high degree of efficacy yet I have not seen any empirical data to support any of these claims. I would like to see a section regarding this. I would also like to see a section on coveys business model which involves licensing it to large corporations, regardless of its unsubstantiated claims(lack of empirical data on performance improvements). The content has developed a religious following and relies on the same faith based logic.-DH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.82.120.230 (talk) 18:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

content removal

I've removed a lot of stuff from this article. It seemed over promotional and almost like a guide. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:20, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to see the 7 habits listed. --Lbeaumont (talk) 20:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

7 Habits [re-]RESTORED!! Again, trying to "save the INTEGRAL baby" (NOT "promo crap")! Although WP:NOTADVICE&WP:NOTMANUAL, even "highly ranked" OUTSIDE articles like Forbes.com RELY on WP's list! [1] [2] --Curious1i (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can WP's "own" material/edits BECOME "copyrighted" and FORCIBLY removed from WP articles??

I recently (2016-March-25; above content removal) copied (in order to "restore" it) the following FROM https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_7_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People&oldid=704974271

(Redacted)

Soon after, it was "permanently" removed (blocked) for Copyright infringement.

It SEEMS that this info (or similar) has been a part of THIS article for most of it's existence, so much so that OUTSIDE article(s) seem to rely on it:

   "I went to Wikipedia to look up the 7 habits..." (http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2012/07/24/the-only-thing-you-need-to-remember-about-the-seven-habits-of-highly-effective-people)

I do not wish to further antagonize(?) User:Diannaa (who seems to be a "Copyright Expert")...

THANKS for any help/pointers/links in helping with my [mis-]understanding(s)....

--Curious1i (talk) 00:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the content was removed per copyright, I have redacted it from here. -- The Voidwalker ^Discuss 01:11, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's copyright material, and we can't add it here, not in the article and not on the talk page. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 01:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- So basically this article has been copied from many, many times and there are a bazillion hits on Google that implies it's been copied. However, a clear history and evolution of the article (and it's copies) can be demonstrated. Diannaa has restored the content. I've also added a reverse copyright violation template to this talk page. The relevant proof:
  - Here is where the "paradigm shift" phrase is first introduced, containing "it makes the reader to": [[3]]
  - This is the only hit I can find that uses the original phrasing: [[4]], which was established in July 2012, so it's possible it copied from Wikipedia - the other book descriptions on that page have google hits, so they look copied too.
  - Then there is the part where the phrase is changed to "it helps the reader": [[5]]. After that, many many hits show up. This strongly implies that Wikipedia was repeatedly copied by external sites.
  - The final change in phrase is the addition of "i.e.": [[6]]. Again many hits show up.
- In conclusion, it looks to me like there is a gradual change in phrasing, documented on the page history, and repeated backwards copying from Wikipedia to many external sites. GoodStuff (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not so much the "paradigm shift" paragraph I was concerned about but the summary that follows of the seven habits. Looking back, although it has been edited heavily since then, we have had a version of that summary since 2003. It looks like the material has been removed and re-added a couple of times, which is what triggered the bot report. Looks like you are right, it was a false positive. Sorry about the mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adamant refusal

Covey adamantly refuses to conflate principles and values ...

This is verging on puff language. In my own notes, I reworded this as "rigidly separates". In my private lexicon, this is at most sadly pejorative, because this brand of instrumental fixity almost invariably comes to a sad end, once systems theory presents the grand tally.

Here on Wikipedia, surely there's a suitably neutral phrase that splits the difference. — MaxEnt 19:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating use of language. I have toned it down from "adamantly refuses to conflate" to "deliberately and mindfully separating" (with some other minor tweaks to make it flow better). Davidjcmorris Talk 01:42, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]