User talk:Gareth

Merger discussion for Metrobus (Sydney)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Metrobus (Sydney)—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Mqst north (talk) 12:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Extension:Maps assistance

Hi. I noticed your work on maps for the Sydney and Adelaide light rail routes (brilliant work by the way), and I was wondering if you could give me some guidance on how to start using this map extension. Namely, where to download it (the links I've followed are not really helping) and some pointers on how to start using the extension. Regards. – Nick Mitchell 98 ^talk 12:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nick Mitchell 98: Thanks for the complement! Documentation of the maps feature is available at mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer and mw:Help:Map Data.

Following the suggestion in the documentation, I have used http://geojson.io to create the maps I've stored on Commons. These can be transferred to Commons by copy/pasting the code into a new .map data page. Just replace the following code in the data page:

{

        ... GeoJSON ...

    }

with the code you've copied from http://geojson.io and fill in the "description" and "sources" fields. The comments in the page will generate an error message when you try to save - just ignore it; the comments will go away once the page is saved for the first time.

Unfortunately, the WMF has lost interest in furthering development of the maps feature. This means the <mapframe> function - used to display a map directly within a page - is not available at English Wikipedia. There are some annoyances with Commons maps - the preview function only works one per edit, for instance. But overall maps are quite easy, if fiddly, to edit once you get the hang of it.

Give it a go, and feel free to ask me any specific questions you may have about how to create and use maps. Gareth (talk) 14:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Trams in Melbourne

Re: Wikipedia "Trams in Melbourne"; Which dates, and which figures ? Gunzle (talk) 01:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I wasn't referring to your edit in my summary. I fixed the date for the patronage figure because this edit bumped the figures but not the date above. Gareth (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Glenelg Tram

I'm uncertain if moving Glenelg Tram statistics from the Glenelg Tram page to the Trams in Adelaide‎ page is such a good idea.
Yes, I read your edit comment, but I'm afraid I don't follow your logic. Do you mind expanding on your reasoning a little? With thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 06:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Pdfpdf: Some content has already been move from Glenelg tram to Trams in Adelaide (not by me) and the link at Template:TramsAustralia has been switched, so I assume Trams in Adelaide has become or is becoming the main article. The Adelaide tram network is expanding next year with the extension to the East End. We don't yet know what the network will look like one this opens, but we do know it will consist of least two lines. The source for the patronage figure is the DPTI annual report. This provides patronage figures by mode, and I have not seen any source that breaks down the figures by line. This means that once the extension opens it will likely be impossible to report a figure for just the Glenelg line. So I moved the section based on a combination of these reasons. Gareth (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for filling in the gaps for me. Hmmmm. It would seem that it is now all pretty much a fait accompli. (It's amazing how quickly politicians can move when there's an election looming...) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

(Sadly, article "it will consist of at least two lines" is behind a paywall. Is that the article saying that the tram will serve The Parade at Norwood? Pdfpdf (talk) 07:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC))

It's saying that trams will not be able to operate from Glenelg to the East End. P.S. you can usually view those paywalled articles by copying the link to the article, pasting it into the Google search field and clicking through. Gareth (talk) 08:22, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I wish I'd known that five years ago! Thanks again, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Patronage graph

It's a very misleading graph. I think it should be broken into two graphs, one up to 2013-14 and one for 2014-15 onwards. Adpete (talk) 04:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)

I wouldn't say the graph is "misleading" (much less "very misleading"), but I can see advantages in splitting it at 30 June 2014. A couple of other comments on the data include:

• The data is millions of boardings, not journeys.
• I dislike graphs with unlabelled axes (but that may be non-trivial to address).
• Glenelg tram#Controversy states that 100,000 extra trips in the 3 months to Nov 2007 "dramatically exceeded its capacity". Looking at the patronage in adjacent years, I don't see why.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

I've modified the graph so that it's split into multiple series. I've also added labels to the axes. I think patronage increased substantially after the opening of the city centre extension, but it remained hidden because the new trips took place within the free travel zone. The change to include free travel in the statistics provided a much more accurate depiction of the line's usage. Gareth (talk) 08:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I've modified the graph ... - Yes - quite an improvement. I think patronage increased ... - Well analysed! Yes, I expect you're correct. Given that people don't "swipe" when they make a free trip in the city, I wonder how the number of boardings is measured? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:37, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the boardings are measured in the free zone. I do know that passenger count sensor systems are available, so my best guess is that one of those systems is installed. Gareth (talk) 07:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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Sydney trains templates

You might want to comment on this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_December_14#Opal_fares Moa999 (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Stealer

it's a bad thing to steal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polish234 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

So is making an unwarranted accusation. Gareth (talk) 06:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Sydney meetup

Short notice but there will be a meetup in Sydney on the 13 January 2018 at 6:30pm, still looking for a venue and open to suggestions. I hope you're able to make it but understand that this is very short notice. Bidgee (talk) 20:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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A/B set Waratah

Hi,

I made this posting on the article for the Waratah train, which so far hasn't received any responses. I decided to come here to ask for your input (seeing you are a frequent contributor to the article) to my proposal for rewording the article and changing the name. Do you think this should be done, or would it be a better idea to wait until the trains enter service? Thanks, trainsandtech (talk) 23:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I also just noticed this item about Sydney Trains A set. Recently another article Sydney Trains B set which largely duplicated the former and has since been redirected to the former. When the redire4ct was approved (in place of the page being deleted) part of the recommendation was that the A set page should be renamed Sydney Trains Waratah set. Should we proceed with that now?Fleet Lists (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

@Fleet Lists: There was a brief discussion about this in March. The suggestion was "Sydney Trains A and B sets", which is consistent with other articles and historical practice. While I wouldn't object to the move taking place now, I think it's best to wait until the B sets enter service because they're not really part of the fleet until that happens. Gareth (talk) 09:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Apache OpenOffice

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Three items

Hi, Firstly I do support the resurrection of Sydney_Metropolitan_Bus_Service_Contracts as an article in its own right as I believe it should never have been moved into the other article. After it was moved this afternoon I opened a discussion in its talk page where I supported the move. I hope we can resolve the issue as I believe the editor who did it in the first place caused a lot of problems overall in the bus area.

Yesterday I posted something in Talk:Suburban bus routes in Sydney where I am proposing to clean up a number of pages created by this same user User:Mqst_north and where I am looking forward to your comments before I proceed with such changes as again it is a matter of reversing a number of things he did late last year.

Thirdly I just found a new page just created Newcastle_Interchange_light_rail_station which is very much duplicating the existing Newcastle Interchange and where in the talk page of the former I have suggested that they be amalgamated.Fleet Lists (talk) 08:33, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Arlington

Hi,

Your recent major change to Dulwich Hill Line overwrote my update to the para about Arlington. Any reason in particular for this? Jswd (talk) 09:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

I felt you edit was a bit too specific - it covered only one development, and I don't think the number of apartments is particularly relevant in the context of an article about light rail. While the opening of the light rail would seem to be the catalyst for this development, the area has a number of pre-existing apartment buildings of similar scale. Therefore, I don't think the light rail has made a significant change to the character of the area, as it has at Lewisham West for example. Gareth (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi again,

Did you notice I'd changed medium density to low density? Low density means detached dwellings. Medium density means walk-up apartments, typically 3 storeys. High density is anything with lifts/elevators.

The extraordinary thing about Arlington Grove (eight storeys) is that it's a small high-density building in a low-density environment without the shops and things that one would expect in a medium-density area and more so in a high-density area. A proper coverage of a transport facility should include the job it does. Transit facilities such as IWLR permit higher densities by letting people live without cars.

Mentioning the size of Arlington Grove lets the reader appreciate how unusual it is to have high-density on a tiny scale. Jswd (talk) 21:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I did notice that change and I can't say I agree that the area is low density. There's a very large (in area, not so much in height) apartment development around Williams Parade, another large one around Constitution Rd and Denison Rd and some smaller stuff too, all of which is medium or, in some cases, maybe even high density by your definitions. Indeed, I would suggest the area around the Waratah Mills stop has a far more traditional character and that the Waratah Mills apartment development provides a greater contrast with its surrounds than the Arlington Grove development does. Gareth (talk) 19:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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Station templates

I am trying to simplify the various station templates which generate the "previous" and "next" station names in railway station articles. I am trying to get it down to a point where it wont be necessary at all to nominate which stations need the , Sydney or , New South Wales suffix but allow the templates to fully determine that. Some time ago there were quite a few red links displayed where the wrong suffix was displayed, even some even with a Victoria suffix. This was solved by creating redirects for these links to the correct station names. The problem in the template was resolved some time ago but some stations were still displayed incorrectly such as Miranda railway station, New South Wales because of the added redirects. This was fixed by a temporary change to the template concerned. I have identified 158 such redirects which were created but are now not used. I have requested that they be deleted but surprisingly one editor is arguing strongly against that. See [1]Fleet Lists (talk) 02:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Airport and East hills line

Hi. There is a bunch of templates like Template:Airport and East hills line which you nominated for deletion at TfD which you created. Would you like them to be deleted per WP:CSD#G7? Pkbwcgs (talk) 09:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pkbwcgs: I thought at least some of them had been changed too much to be eligible for G7, but, yes, I'm fine with them being deleted that way. Gareth (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay. I started tagging templates in that TfD list which you created. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

In fact, I will close the TfD discussion as delete. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Richmond Station Issue

I’m new to editing on Wikipedia and I’m sorry for changing your image as I did not know how it worked completely. If you want to keep your image on the page, I’ll let that happen. Also, the fixed typo does apply to all of my edits or has so far, but I’ll try not to be repetitive. RidingStuff (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Sydney Trains color

Are you certain that there is no remaining usage of this template that uses the old line names? Useddenim (talk) 03:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:TFNSW lines, Template:TFNSW nav/NSW TrainLink, Template:TFNSW nav/Sydney Trains, Template:TFNSW inline, Template:NSW TrainLink color and Template:Transport for New South Wales railway stations are all fine. Category:Sydney Trains rail succession templates has been massively cleaned up to remove the old crap and consolidate the overlapping templates. These templates have been updated (except for the Carlingford line, which is closing soon). The RDTs used in line articles, such as Template:Carlingford Line RDT are fine. These are the templates in use at the relevant articles. Gareth (talk) 21:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay; I was just checking. Sometimes this stuff gets overlooked. Useddenim (talk) 13:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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