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Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it has already been to AfD once, and been kept - which unless I've misunderstood policy makes it ineligible for speedy deletion under CSD A7. There may well be good arguments for deletion (I'd probably !vote for it myself if another AfD was started), but summary deletion of an article in such circumstances would seem inappropriate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
No consensus in 1 year. Only supporting editor withdrew support. AlexEng(TALK) 19:36, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This section is to discuss User:Rhode Island Red's proposed merger of Donald Gary Young to here.

I'm not quite sure what is being proposed here - I don't see how we can 'merge' a biography of an individual with an article on a company without creating an unfocussed hybrid. Which is supposed to be notable, the individual, or the company? I'm not convinced that either are independently, and notability is an attribute of article topics, rather than being something that can be concocted by running together not-quite-notable subject matter. And yes, biographical material on Young is problematic - and will remain so, if added to an article on the company. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the legal problems are worth mentioning at all, and I honestly don't know if they are, then maybe the bio should remain as an article. After Young Living was founded, most sources (out of the few reliable ones) cover them as closely related topics. From the Daily Beast article: "It must be noted that in the company's literature, there appears to be an uncomfortable cult of personality around Young..."[1] If there's no article on Young, then a brief summary of his personal history seems like it would make sense here. How brief that summary should be is debatable, but the article seems incomplete without mentioning something about him. Grayfell (talk) 01:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article about Donald Gary Young has expanded with enough content unrelated to this company that I no longer think a merger is appropriate. Grayfell (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2015 Sales report is not credible

CoolKoon inserted this source as evidence that Young Living had $1 billion in 2015 sales. However distinguished (or not) the Utah Daily Herald may be, this report is not journalism providing convincing follow up and secondary confirmation by an independent source, but rather extracts quotes and accepts the dubious claim of billion dollar performance from a press release by Young Living itself here. The Daily Herald report is just a blog repeat, as is evident from the thin reporting of two other events on the same page. One would have to be quite gullible to believe that Young Living sales number, but in the interests of an objective WP article on the company, we need a secondary financial source that meets WP:RS. Consequently, I reverted the content and source as simply not credible until supported adequately and independently. --Zefr (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Young Living Therapeutic Grade

Can we discuss the "Therapeutic Grade" claims made on Young Living essential oils? According to the YL website, they make a claim that their oils are Therapeutic Grade. The FDA and any other governing body does not recognize this as a real grading method. According to these sources [1] [2] the term "Therapeutic Grade" is a made up marketing trick. I suggest we add some language that clarifies this since Young Living prints "Therapeutic Grade" on the front label of each essential oil bottle they sell. Thanks. --H McCringleberry (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend we don't address this. Their information can't be trusted. This company is well-known for quackery. Any discussion about their products is not encyclopedic per WP:PROMO. --Zefr (talk) 20:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, for now. It does indeed appear that "Therapeutic Grade" is marketing nonsense. If it were used in the article it would likely have to be removed. Since it's not currently used in this article, mentioning it would require reliable, independent sources specifically linking it to Young Living.
I don't know if the National Association of Holistic Aromatherapy is a reliable source, but that would have to be determined before citing them. Likewise, Aromaweb appears to be a blog source, which is of limited use. It's commendable that the author calls on the site's advertisers to stop using the term "grade", but that's not enough to make this reliable by Wikipedia's standards.
While I have no doubt that Young Living coined the phrase, neither of those other sources actually call-out Young Living by name (for some reason). We need to be cautious of original research, specifically synthesis of sources. Without a reliable, independent source specifically linking Young Living to this misleading phrase, it's difficult to add to the article in a neutral way. Grayfell (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting edits

I am from Young Living and part of my duties here include updating the Wikipedia page about the company. I read the notice at the top of this page about disclosure and have made such on my userpage. I would like to ask that someone review the disclosure to ensure I am in compliance prior to me requesting any specific edits to the Wikipedia article. --MarSureMa (talk) 02:08, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You should not edit the Young Living or Gary Young articles, as you have an inherent conflict of interest; please read WP:COI. Wikipedia has this purpose, which does not include advertising for a company or updating its article based on internal news. Secondary independent sources, WP:RS, are used for the encyclopedia. It would be ok if you notify this Talk page of a verifiable secondary source on information not currently in the article, but you should have no role in writing it. --Zefr (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello, @MarSureMa:. Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest. As Zefr says, you should not edit the article. If you notice any discrepancy with the article, you can propose changes here for consideration, but please be succinct and patient. Please also consider using Template:Request edit (you may find the show preview feature helpful). I will leave a boilerplate message on your talk page providing links to additional information on editing with a conflict of interest. Please review these links for everyone's convenience, so we can avoid rehashing old discussions. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the talk page information. I read through COI carefully and believe I understand what I need to do (as well as what I should NOT do). I fully understand that I am not supposed to edit these pages directly and will not do so. For the most part, we are just trying to introduce more information about our history as it seems to be lacking. I have taken to the time to read through information related to reliable sourcing and put together an initial edit request which I will post shortly. If at any time I am not doing something correctly, please let me know. --MarSureMa (talk) 03:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request Edit


I would propose adding a section for company history and start it by adding the following which documents some of the early history and how the company got started.

In May 1992, Donald Gary Young purchased a farm in St. Maries, Idaho where he began growing lavender, clary sage, peppermint, and thyme while also testing new distillation methods. He founded Young Living Essential Oils in 1993 and incorporated the business the following year.[1][2] Young and his wife, Mary, established the first headquarters in Riverton, Utah. In 1995, they purchased a 160-acre farm in Mona, Utah where they would also grow plants for distillation.[1][3]

There is additional history which I will propose in a few days as I am trying to find more reliable sources to include. Thank you for considering this request. --MarSureMa (talk) 03:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "D. Gary Young". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  2. ^ Neely, Karissa. "Young Living growing up in oils business". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  3. ^ Monroe, Rachel. "How Essential Oils Became the Cure for Our Age of Anxiety". The New Yorker. Retrieved 3 December 2018.

Reply 04-DEC-2018

  Already implemented  

  1. The salient point proposed in this edit request—that D.G.Y. started the company in 1993—is already included in the current version of the article.
  2. The remainder of claims within this edit request are part and parcel of the Young Living creation story, making them notoriously difficult to anchor in reliability (the quaint farm in Mona, Utah used for distillation purposes, for example). To that end, please advise if any newer references are found.

Regards,  Spintendo  09:23, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The founding information is a single sentence in the opening paragraph of the article. The opening paragraph should be more of a summary, yet there is nothing about the founding or other history in the body of the article. The references I used are very reliable as well so I am not sure what additional sources are needed. I know this was only a snippet so I created an entire history section (below) which has more context and sources. Could you please review and implement the edits if they meet Wikipedia standards. --MarSureMa (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In May 1992, Donald Gary Young purchased a farm in St. Maries, Idaho where he began growing lavender, clary sage, peppermint, and thyme while also testing new distillation methods. He founded Young Living Essential Oils in 1993 and incorporated the business the following year.[1][2] Young and his wife, Mary, established the first headquarters in Riverton, Utah. In 1995, they purchased a 160-acre farm in Mona, Utah where they would also grow plants for distillation.[1][3]

In 1996, the company acquired property in Payson, Utah with the intent of developing a new 100,000-square-foot headquarters.[4][5] After demolishing an existing building there in 1997,[6] the company eventually sold the property pack to the City of Payson in 1998 because it had already outgrown the planned development. Its headquarters remained in a remodeled school building in Payson.[7] In 1999, Young Living was named the second-fastest growing business in Utah.[8]

In 2001, the company opened a 200-acre western-themed tourist attraction called Young Living Heritage Park at its farming facility in Mona.[9][10] The visitor center at the farm also featured the Whispering Springs BBQ restaurant.[10][11] Around 2002, its main headquarters moved to a 59,000 square-foot facility at the Thanksgiving Point Business Park in Lehi, Utah. In 2004, the company started expanding into international markets like Europe and Japan. By 2005, the firm claimed to have 250,000 distributors throughout the world.[10][12]

In 2006, the company began construction on a 110,000-square-foot production and distribution center in Spanish Fork, Utah.[13][14] That year, it also purchased a 2,300-acre farm in Ecuador, its first outside the United States. The company opened the Young Living Academy in rural Chongon, Ecuador in March 2008.[1] In 2011, the company was listed at number 3,833 on the Inc. 5000 list of the fastest growing companies in the United States.[15] By 2013, it had annual revenues of $230 million with offices in Australia, Ecuador, Peru, and Japan.[16]

In January 2015, the company started a 100,000-square-foot expansion of its distribution facility in Spanish Fork.[14] Later that year, Mary Young was named the company's CEO after her husband voluntarily stepped down from the position to pursue writing and philanthropic endeavors.[17] In 2016, Young Living began working on the construction of a new headquarters near its current Thanksgiving Point base.[2] It officially broke ground on the 263,000-square-foot project in May 2017.[18] Between 2015 and 2017, the company posted annual revenues of over $1 billion.[19] In May 2018, Young Living's founder and former CEO, Donald Gary Young, passed away.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b c d "D. Gary Young". Daily Herald. 18 May 2018. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  2. ^ a b Neely, Karissa (26 August 2016). "Young Living growing up in oils business". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  3. ^ Monroe, Rachel (9 October 2017). "How Essential Oils Became the Cure for Our Age of Anxiety". The New Yorker. Retrieved 3 December 2018. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
  4. ^ Green, Carin (29 March 1996). "Payson sells Bon Ton building". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  5. ^ Hardy, Rodger (14 July 1996). "ESSENTIAL OILS: FOUNDER OF COMPANY SAYS ANCIENT HERB EXTRACTS HOLD SECRETS OF MODERN HEALING". Deseret News. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  6. ^ "Clean-up underway". Daily Herald. 28 August 1997. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  7. ^ Hardy, Rodger L. (2 April 1998). "Payson to acquire plot where school gym stood". Deseret News. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  8. ^ Bliss, Nancy (4 November 1999). "Orem company leads Utah again". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  9. ^ "Farm features wild western adventure". Daily Herald. 13 June 2001. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  10. ^ a b c Leong, Grace (20 March 2004). "Young Living lays off 25 workers". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  11. ^ Molyneux, Logan (2 August 2007). "Keepin' It Simple". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  12. ^ "Nutritional supplements firm extends lease at Thanksgiving Point". Daily Herald. 4 May 2005. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  13. ^ "Young Living plans to build a center in Spanish Fork". Deseret News. 8 September 2006. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  14. ^ a b McDonald, Amy (13 January 2015). "Essential Expansion". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  15. ^ Ritter, Justin (28 August 2011). "Seven Utah companies listed on Inc. magazine's 500 fastest-growing private companies". Deseret News. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  16. ^ Warnock, Caleb (5 May 2013). "Oil of success brings healthy $230M a year to Lehi company". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  17. ^ Neely, Karissa (7 July 2015). "Local biz: New executives at doTerra and Young Living Essential Oils". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  18. ^ Neely, Karissa (16 May 2017). "Young Living breaks ground in Lehi; Sales Congress for underwriters; Wasatch Front CPI heads up". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
  19. ^ Neely, Karissa (28 March 2018). "Young Living posts third billion dollar growth year; Techstars Startup Weekend; Free home maintenance class". Daily Herald. Retrieved 3 December 2018.
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