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Delete Although the individual has published a few good academic papers, by comparison with other high profile academics in the field of palaeontology listed on Wikipedia (for example, Jenny Clack, Mark Norell or Michael Benton), her contribution is very minor and does not pass the WP:SCI. I feel that maybe in the future this individual should be considered for a wiki page, but at present I cannot see any reason for it being retained. The research section also boasts of more of self promotion and several of the sources are directly linked to academic studies, rather than actual newsworthy science. None of the sources show indicate that this person is clearly notable. My suggestion is for the page to be considered for deletion. I am new to editing Wiki, but am a semi-retired paleontologist and have noticed a bunch of wikipedia paleontologist pages that I feel do not warrant their own page, by comparison with such individuals mentioned above and therefore intend to do a bit of a clean up and contribute where I can. User:Xioa72 (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2018 (CET)

  • Keep I would firstly note that WP:SCI is not Wikipedia policy, but a failed proposal, so it can't be used to assess articles. The relevant guideline is WP:NACADEMIC, which has 9 points, the first of which is "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." Those sources do not need to be scholarly, but WP:INDEPENDENT and WP:RELIABLE. There are a lot of non-independent sources included in this article (her own papers, and sources from or by universities she is or has been affiliated with). However, there are several which are both independent and reliable, eg [1], [2], and (not in the article) [3], [4], [5], and which do indicate (to a non-paleontologist) that her research has had a significant impact on the field. The subject of this article may not be as notable as the others you referred to, but, if she meets the Wikipedia criteria for notability, that is not a reason for this article to be deleted. (I would have to say that these sources are not "the most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1", and other editors may not agree that she meets any criterion of WP:NACADEMIC, or even WP:GNG.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your reply, that's much appreciated. Yes, you make some good points. However, I was unaware of the pages you mention - I'm new to Wikipedia editing (sorry), but looking at those pages, and specifically what is required for individuals of notability, this reiterates my previous statement that this individuals contribution to her field does not meet the Wikipedia criteria for notability sensu WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG. Compare with those mentioned previously, or other palaeontologists who have made major, significant contributions in this field such as Darren Naish, David B. Norman, or even Robert T. Bakker. I don't see any evidence that this individual is deserved of their own Wikipedia page. There are 100's of palaeontologists who have contributed equal to or much more to the science, who don't have their own page (yet). User:Xioa72 (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2018 (CET)
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