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Criticism of hunting

Jr.'s recent hunting trip has been in the news. I added a source at Donald Trump, Jr.#Personal life -- and also worded it neutrally. One sentence is probably sufficient. Bearian (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A letter to the editor of the New York Post is not a reliable source. I reverted the edits by User:Trumpgirl. Bearian (talk) 19:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hair

Surely, his botched scalp surgery which, in part, drives the need for the world's most aggressive and creative comb-over, is worthy of encyclopedic summation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.87.243 (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are on the wrong page. -- AstroU (talk) 16:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

This article is a good start. Where is the portrait-picture? -- AstroU (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, no one has ever created a free image and uploaded it to Wikipedia or the Commons. Until someone does we can't add a picture to this page. -- GB fan 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gas chamber comment

I have removed this for NOW. Again, how notable to the subject's bio will this be in 5 years? Its also not good to have a controversy section since, as one editor has pointed out, this becomes a sh*t magnet. Also undue weight compared to the rest of the bio.--Malerooster (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This should be added it's relevant to today maybe not in 5 years though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpf1009 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2016

Trump.com is the website for the Trump Organization and not is not his personal website

198.52.13.15 (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Czech nationality should be added

The law effective at the time of birth Trump's children by Ivana Trump (http://www.zakonyprolidi.cz/cs/1969-39/zneni-0) declares in Paragraph 8 "Acquisition of citizenship by birth" under point 4 the following: "(4) Dítě, jehož jeden z rodičů je cizincem, nabývá narozením státního občanství republiky, jestliže druhý z rodičů je státním občanem republiky." A child, whose one parent is a foreigner, acquires the citizenship by birth, if the other parent is a citizen of the republic. Hence, all Trump children by Ivana Trump are dual US - Czech (and thus, EU) citizens, unless they actively renounced their citizenship (which I think is improbable). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.214.215 (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is something that has been a topic of great debate amongst legal experts. In my opinion, something like this should not be added on Wikipedia for a variety of reasons. Firstly, while nationality may be inherited from a parent, it is not something that is official unless and until the concerned individual 'claims' it and holds a Passport of that country. Trump Jr. has in fact traveled to Czech Republic and seems to have had no problems entering or leaving the country. Secondly, the same thing could be said about his father, Donald Trump Sr. Trump's mother was a British Citizen when he was born in the 40's and British Nationality is notorious to surrender. So there could technically be the case that the current President of the United States is a British Citizen too! The point I am trying to make is that laws pertaining to nationality that is inherited by blood (Jus Sanguini) are at best ambiguous unless claimed through proper channels and by the concerned individuals holding appropriate paperwork. Until we have it on paper that a person is a citizen of a particular country, we cannot add it on Wikipedia. LukeShred (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DJTJ cites

Special:diff/751920861 some sources were removed. The Tab clearly abbreviates his name as DJTJ in its URL: http://thetab.com/us/arizonastate/2016/10/29/djtj-at-asu-321 which I'm not sure how to reflect in a citation template (which normally over-writes URLs with the title, making them less obvious) but here are the others:

  • Puchko, Kristy (20 September 2016). "How Donald Trump Jr. Got Skittles Trending On Twitter". It even hit that point where you didn't need to mention Trump or Skittles to clock DJTJ's hateful tweet.
  • "Here Is Donald Trump's Newly Released Videotaped Deposition". 30 September 2016. the transcript of Trump Jr.'s deposition: DJTJ-Depo

If this was a controversial nickname or something I could see wanting more sourcing, but I don't understand why the high level of scrutiny over acknowledging some people have referred to him by these 4 letters. His dad's called DJT (there is even a restaurant bearing the initials) so this plus the J affixation for Junior is logical.

Going back to April's http://wthitv.com/2016/04/28/donald-trump-jr-campaigns-in-covington/ from WTHI-TV you can see the head image https://lintvwthi.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/djtj.jpg uses it. Ranze (talk) 15:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Political career?

Someone should make note of his political career, which was mainly campaigning for his father. He is also on the Trump Transition team which has led to some degree of criticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.212.54 (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He has no political career he has been a puppet for his father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpf1009 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2017

Son of the President of the United States of America Linuxfan1 (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 17:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2017

Add {{pp-blp|small=yes}} at the top. 219.79.97.174 (talk) 04:00, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I couldn't find a general topic section. The second paragraph in the introduction at the top directly above the table of contents speaking about DTJR and the Russian "collusion" has already reached a point of saturation. I guess my main issue is why is that in the introduction anyways? That clearly isn't relevant past a week and even if it was relevant to his whole life -- why is it written like a headline news story? It looks like a sloppy Facebook journalist added that in. Would appreciate it being moved to a "Controversy" section or something similar -- or even deleted altogether as the issue was ridiculous (DTJR posted the emails himself and the media has stopped talking about it, again even if they were talking about it -- why in the introduction). 67.170.106.112 (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BLP noticeboard

there is a chat opened at the BLP noticeboard - see here , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Donald_Trump_Jr. Govindaharihari (talk) 07:26, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the notice is in archives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive255#Donald_Trump_Jr.  Honette 03:47, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Identifying the subject's children

Per WP:MINORS, someone who is incidental to an article, but significant enough to mention even without identifying them, should not be identified "even if good sources do publish the name, when a more general description will suffice." So let's remove the kids' identifying info. Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:23, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have never seen WP:MINORS used to remove the names of the children of notable people and have reverted this change.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Tony, I don't doubt that you have never seen this part of WP:MINORS implemented, but does that mean we cannot read and follow WP:MINORS? It says (emphasis added): "Do not name or otherwise identify the person, even if good sources do publish the name, when a more general description will suffice." Even if we ignore WP:MINORS, we still find similar advice elsewhere, for example at Template:Infobox_person#Parameters which says, "For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of children of living persons, unless notable." Suppose it were perfectly fine to give the names of these children; it would still be bad writing to give such detail including the full and exact birth dates. Birth dates are often used to confirm identity in our society, and anyway why would the year alone be insufficient? Surely we do not really want readers to feel it necessary to pay attention not just to the birth year but to the birth month and birth day, right? Same goes for the full middle names. It's just overkill. Anyway, since you haven't given any reason why we shouldn't follow WP:MINORS here, I will revert. Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I also strongly oppose adding the names of minor children.Classafelonymonkey (talk) 11:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The source used currently names the daughter in the title. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

McDonald / MacDonald typo

Another controversy arose when Trump retweeted remarks by psychologist Kevin B. MacDonald about alleged favors exchanged by Hillary Clinton and Switzerland's largest bank (McDonald has been accused of anti-semitism for some of his writings) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.237.176.7 (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2017‎ (UTC)[reply]

Russia "criticism".

Regarding Don Jr's Russia stuff - there's nothing wrong with mentioning it in the lede, but we have to be careful about talking about the criticism. Some have criticized the infamous meeting, while some have shrugged their shoulders or even outright defended him. To focus only on the criticism would go against WP:NPOV, which was why someone put the template there. All I did was word things in a way that acknowledges the meeting, without going into support/criticism, as that's not territory Wikipedia should be getting into.

I don't want this going into a big back and forth, so I just wanted to put in my $0.02 and explain why I did what I did...just trying to adhere to policy.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 18:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the article to include a reference to verify that Trump Jr did face some sharp criticism for his infamous meeting. That is a verifiable fact, and should be included in the article. I have also made sure to add that the criticism was by some to show that it wasn't universal (that is also a verifiable fact as the reference showed that some came to Trump Jr's defense). By adding the "by some" qualifier, that should address the NPOV issue, as to make it clear there was both criticism and support. Any edit done that includes verifiable references is not a "revert", but merely an edit done with the intent of improving an article. Thank you. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Category:Trump administration controversies

There were some who said that a person cannot be a controversy. Since the name of Barack Obama is constantly being used in sentences with Trump, I must point to you that there are at least 4 people in the category of Obama administration controversies. That is why I will return the category. Radiohist (talk) 23:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any biographies included in Category:Obama administration controversies. I will assume they were there and someone rightly removed them from the category. A person can be controversial and can be involved in a controversy, but they can not be a controversy. ~ GB fan 14:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Inconsistant use of Jr.

The article randomly switches back and forth between calling him "Trump" and "Trump Jr." Unless someone objects, I will change all to either "Trump Jr." or "President Trump," as applicable. Comfr (talk)

His father was not president for the majority of his live, so I am not sure if that is appropriate. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good point. How about Trump Sr. or Trump's father? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Comfr (talk • contribs)
I think Trump's father might be best, as the father is not commonly known as Trump Sr. Thankfully these issues are not present with Ivana and her daughter, as the daughter uses the diminutive Ivanka. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help. I think I have fixed all the inconsistencies. I would appreciate if you would re-check my work. Thanks again. Comfr (talk) 20:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you missed one in the last paragraph which I fixed, but other than that I am grateful for your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emir of Wikipedia (talk • contribs)

Maternal grandfather and knowledge of the Czech language

@DrFleischman: You removed these two claims. Is your issue merely with sourcing, or also on other grounds? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Primarily sourcing. I also question the noteworthiness of Trump Jr.'s closeness with his grandfather. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Material was inserted by KalHolmann. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Emir of Wikipedia, sorry, I didn't mean to bypass your discussion here with Dr. Fleischman. But The New York Times found Trump Jr.'s relationship with his maternal grandfather noteworthy enough to include in the lead paragraph of its March 2017 profile. So I've added it, properly sourced, to our BLP. KalHolmann (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The sanctions at the top of the page state "Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). If in doubt, don't make the edit." As it was removed on grounds of sourcing I don't think this is a violation, but next time comment here before you do something like that. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Emir of Wikipedia, you are right. I acted without consensus, for which I apologize to you and Dr. Fleischman. I have reverted my edit accordingly. KalHolmann (talk) 23:07, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not too late to normalize this procedure, I request consensus to resurrect my contribution shown in this diff of a subsequently reverted edit. Admittedly, it tends to humanize Donald Trump Jr., which may not be the effect we're striving for here (given WP:NPOV). But p Perhaps we can take our cue from The New York Times, which found Trump Jr.'s relationship with his maternal grandfather noteworthy enough to include in the lead paragraph of their March 2017 profile. KalHolmann (talk) 00:13, 19 November 2017 (UTC) Additional comment: Context matters.[reply]
The sentence I inserted, then removed, read: "As a boy, Trump Jr. found a role model in his maternal grandfather, Milos Zelnicek, at whose home near Prague he spent summers camping, fishing, hunting and learning the Czech language." Its placement in the article's first section, "Early life and education," gave this a childhood innocence that does not implicate WP:NPOV.

However, I now see a similar sentence later in the article. Paragraph 2 of the "Personal life" section begins, "In his childhood, Trump Jr. learned to hunt and fish by spending time with his maternal grandfather in what was then Czechoslovakia." This is immediately followed by the adult Trump Jr. slaughtering endangered species in Africa.

The implication is clear. Far from being a wholesome familial bonding, Trump Jr.'s summers with Grandad prepared him for butchering leopards, elephants, and—when big game was not available—prairie dogs.

I suggest that restoring the sentence to "Early life and education" and deleting it from "Personal life" would give us a more neutral WP:BLP. KalHolmann (talk) 04:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion sounds good to me. Let's wait a day or two and see if Dr Fleischman has anything to say on the matter. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with it. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Restored one sentence to "Early life and education" and removed another from "Personal life" pursuant to foregoing discussion. KalHolmann (talk) 00:33, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material

"After college graduation, Trump moved to Aspen, Colorado. He hunted, fished, skied, lived in a truck, and worked as a bartender for a year before returning to New York and joining the Trump Organization."

The claim that Donald Trump Jr. was, albeit temporarily and voluntarily, homeless doesn't appear to have any form of citation anywhere, and, when phrased that way, could be construed as a form of mockery if untrue - does anyone know of a source that can back this line up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.3.106 (talk) 09:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is sourced in citation 7. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Events of October 31 and November 7

Should we include the events of October 31 and November 7? On the 4th February I removed it but then my edit was reverted by DrFleischman who said that they have lasting significance and coverage. Today the content was removed again by JFG. The arbitration remedies state that we must have consensus before reinstating any edits that have been challenged. If there is lasting significance and coverage perhaps then it warrants inclusion but I don't think what currently stands should be included. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notice the February 4 removal. I was just casually reading the article, and quoting those tweets looked very anecdotal. What is their impact on Trump Jr's life or on anybody else? Absolutely undue for a biography. — JFG talk 02:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't have to be an impact on anyone's life. These things are appropriate because they received tremendous news coverage, probably because they were controversial and reflected something about Trump Jr. It's not like the article is too long and needs to be cut down. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 09:05, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Run-of-the-mill temporary press coverage does not make longstanding importance. That Trump Jr. fucked up an election date in a tweet frankly doesn't strike me as anything noteworthy. Same for his snarky joke about teaching socialism to his daughter. — JFG talk 12:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the article is not long doesn't mean we need to fill with unnoteworthy information to make it longer. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Run-of-the-mill temporary press coverage" is verifiably false. This was not one or two news articles at the time of the event. This was lots of press coverage. For the Halloween story at least the coverage extended well past the event. [1] --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 23:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, those tweets have WP:FART-level notability. — JFG talk 01:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see we're having an enlightened discussion here. It might help if you actually reviewed some sources. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not denying that sources did comment on those Twitter utterances. I'm saying that they have no long-term significance, and are not what Trump Jr will be remembered for (this is his encyclopedic biography). We need to exercise editorial judgment, not just parrot clickbait news of the day. — JFG talk 09:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And as I demonstrated, this wasn’t clickbait news of the day—at least not the Halloween candy story, which was discussed in TIME Magazine two months later. —Dr. Fleischman (talk) 09:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wife´ś Mail Hospital Scare

In February 12, 2018 Donald Trump Jr´s wife Vanessa opened mail with white powder in it, so she was rushed to hospital as a precaution. Massivegamer5647 (talk) 16:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2018

Add link to his Twitter https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr in his infobox 151.231.13.32 (talk) 12:16, 25 February 2018 (UTC) 151.231.13.32 (talk) 12:16, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Per: WP:Twitter-EL Spintendo      14:01, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mentions of divorce

Near the end of the Thursday evening, March 15, 2018 PBS Newshour, Judy Woodruff mentioned that there are rumors that Vanesse Trump is filing for divorce from her husband, Donald Trump, Jr.. Around the same hour that day, The New York Daily News reported that rumor, also.Brown, S.R. Donald Trump Jr.’s wife Vanessa files for divorce. Donald Trump Jr.’s wife Vanessa files for divorce. March 15, 2018, 6:42 PM. They printed:

The divorce was listed as "uncontested," indicating the split was amicable.

In a two to three-hour period, the report was echoed by Politico, People Magazine, USA Today, Time Magazine, Chicago Daily News, London Daily Telegraph, TMZ (for what that's worth), AOL.com, Boston.com, Page Six, Vanity Fair, Fox News, Slate.com, and Bloomberg News. MaynardClark (talk) 23:38, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The information has been confirmed through a joint statement issued by Trump Jr. and Vanessa Trump and reported by CNN and the New York Times. It has been added to the Personal life section. Note that an uncontested divorce doesn't necessarily mean "the split [is] amicable", in the sense that both parties want to divorce; it means that the parties have already negotiated the division of property and other issues and that the court need not dictate the settlement of those matters (though it will ensure that they are settled equitably). General Ization Talk 04:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy category and now a sentence in the lead?

Shouldn't this be reserved for real conspiracy theorists not people who like twitter comments.--Malerooster (talk) 23:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)?[reply]

Twitter is how conspiracy theories are promoted these days, and Jr's received a whole lot of press coverage over his Twitter behavior. It's in three different sections of our article, and the sources bear it out. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 23:59, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So liking some questionable tweets makes one a conspiracy theorist? --Malerooster (talk) 00:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bit rough. Removed category per WP:NONDEF. Not convinced the labeling of "promoting various conspiracy theories" is lede-worthy. At least this statement should be attributed to Hogg, per source, and limited to one conspiracy theory (that Hogg is a plant). Still, I don't see how Trump Jr. can be called a serial conspiracy theorist, but I understand that some editors may have a different view. More sources needed. — JFG talk 01:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Re-read the source. In one place it's attributed to Hogg, but I believe in two others the source says it outright. Not to mention that references to Jr's promotion of conspiracy theories is scattered all over the body of the article. There are lots and lots of sources discussing this. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's one of the things he's most known for.[2] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:59, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is one of the thing he is recently known for. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2018

That in 'personal life' where it says "On March 15, 2018, Trump Jr. and Vanessa Trump announced that the couple had separated and that she had filed for divorce in Manhattan Supreme Court.[62][63] The divorce is uncontested.[62][64] However, later it was revealed that the divorce is contested.[65] The complaint is secret except for the title of the case.[66]" I believe that for clarity, sentence two should be merged with sentence one to become 'Vanessa Trump announced she had filed for divorce in Manhattan Supreme Court, and that the divorce was uncontested.' 2601:CD:4102:7D98:18E:2AD7:C44E:B5A2 (talk) 02:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Glm705 (open channel) 02:59, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing Democrats to Nazis

It is WP:DUE that a political activist with a large following and high-profile media presence who campaigns for Republican politicians across the country likens the DNC platform to that of Hitler's Nazi party. Weight is also substantiated by extensive RS coverage (I cited three high-quality RS in the article but there are far more out there). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WaPo story about Trump Jr's 2018 campaign stardom explicitly mentions this episode, substantiating that it's notable and that it fits into a broader context of a high-profile political activist[3]. Trump Jr is not a nobody and he is not apolitical, and it's strange to treat him as such and deprive readers of what he stands for politically. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2018

Ivana Marie Trump should read Ivanka Marie Trump 170.250.183.211 (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Ivana is the name of his mother, Ivanka is the name of his sister Danski454 (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Running Trump Org

He and Eric were announced as "running" the business, but there's no proof that they actually are. Plus, shouldn't any mention of the Trump business also mention the Trust, that has Sr. as the sole beneficiary, does not "meet the standards" of former presidents.

And, Allen Weisselberg is also a Trustee; it's not just the sons.

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