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Why was the photo removed. I signed the certification and scanning postcards is legal.... Elliot

Mav's a little quick on the draw, I think, but I can see why he deleted it if you didn't respond to his question in a reasonable time. While scanning anything at all is legal, posting it here may not be, and it's important to record the source of an image on its description page. Recently-taken photos are by default copyrighted, with no notice needed, so unless the postcard explicitly says otherwise, one cannot use a postcard photo here. Also, check your user "talk" page now and then to see if anyone is trying to clarify something--an asterisk (*) should appear next to the "talk" link if there's something there. --LDC

The photo that was here could not be recently taken but would be one of the thousands taken by the French government just before Les Halles market was torn down 23 years ago. I would imagine that any postcard would be one of these government promo photos.

23 years is recent enough for the purpose of copyright (which lasts at least 50 years after the author's death, or longer depending on variations in law between countries). I don't know much about French law, but if they are like the US in that creative works by the government are public domain, then perhaps they are safe. If that's the case, upload it again an put that description on the description page so we'll know what we're dealing with. --LDC

Creative works by the national or local governments in France are not public domain in general. There are some cases thought where the content is by law under a free license, but that's not the case here. There are disputes as to whether a public service whose mission is not to create intellectual property can hold copyrights. Furthermore, things that apply to the national government (resp. to the US federal government) do not necessarily apply to local governments (resp. to state governments).
So, to summarize: these promo photos are unfree. However, you may possibly claim "fair use" over them. Also, it's highly probable that nobody would ever care to sue Wikimedia over them. David.Monniaux 13:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Les Halles

The issue No. 024-B. 2005 of the journal Le Courrier australien contains an interesting article (in French) on the remodelling project, recently awarded to the French architect David Mangin (Seura).

Pronunciation

Is it really pronounced /le al/ or is there elision, so that it's more like /les al/ ? Since the H is not pronounced, it seems to me that this would be the correct pronunciation, but I have never heard "Les Halles" spoken by a native French speaker, so I can't be sure... Starrynight06 (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--- Yes, that is the proper pronunciation. Native French speakers will correct you if you add an elision. The H in Les Halles is aspirated, meaning that neither elision nor contraction is done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.17.148.73 (talk) 00:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the pronunciation of an otherwise silent consonant before vowels or aspirate h is known as 'liaison', not elision. Elision is the suppression of a final vowel - in both spelling and pronunciation - before the vowel which begins the following word, to be replaced by an apostrophe, as in: ce + est = c'est). Otherwise, it is true to say that 'halle' begins with an aspirate h and therefore 'les halles' is pronounced /le al/. Parisians will tell you that it is a common mistake committed by non-native speakers to liaise Les Halles. I lived in France for a year, and I studied at the Sorbonne. Can people who don't know what they're talking about please refrain from changing it back to /lay zal/? Iantnm (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, you can listen to the pronunciation here: http://forvo.com/word/les_halles/. Mateat (talk) 02:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is [lay alle] supposed to be? There is no y or j sound in Les Halles. It is pronounced /le al/ as mentioned by others above, short and dry. The reason why it has no liaison is that it originally derives from a non-French word (market halls). ♆ CUSH ♆ 19:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's been incorrectly "corrected" to [lez al], I am going to put it back. 82.28.107.46 (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image of old Halles?

Bird's-eye view of the central market of Paris in 1863, designed by Victor Baltard

Can we use the image that is used in the French article? ♆ CUSH ♆ 18:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Big, gaping hole in the article: The new Halles

Many Parisians would say that Les Halles contributed to slumming down this central area of the city, and for that and many other reasons it is currently being demolished to be replaced by another French grand design: La Canopée. Someone with an understanding of the problems related to Les Halles and knowledge of the new plans now being realised could do much to improve the value of this article. 178.32.114.131 (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, construction has already begun (I had started to describe it in the article but i got reverted).
I doubt that changes in the architecture will keep away the riff-raff (and the sparrows that stay in the vicinity of the Quick restaurant). What the place needs is a daily cleaning-service. ♆ CUSH ♆ 18:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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