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La Gloria (shoe retailer)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Could not find significant coverage in reliable sources. CNMall41 (talk) 00:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One source does not meet WP:CORPDEPTH. If that were the case, any company would pretty much qualify for its own Wikipedia page.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why "strong" based on a single source pointed out above? "Legendary" is not part of the criteria for WP:NCORP which is what would be required to keep the page. Since Wikipedia is based on sources and not reputation of a company, can you point out the references that would meet WP:CORPDEPTH?--CNMall41 (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Despite no web coverage, the article passes WP:CORPDEPTH." Did I read that correctly? That is exactly why it would NOT pass CORPDEPTH.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you show me the WP:NCORP guideline that talks about companies being notable based on the number of stores they have? --CNMall41 (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This source, a Puerto Rican newspaper discusses the significance of these stores in Puerto Rico. [http://www.adendi.com/archivo.asp?num=204189&year=1995&month=8&keyword= --the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A document by the Federal Communications Commissions calls it "one of the principal shoe stores in Caguas, Puerto Rico" here, on page 387: [1]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: As 3 of the Keep votes have not been justified in anything close to suitable policy
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Of the sources listed, only the El Nueva Dia is RS. The first is an ad for the shoe store at a mall published by the owning company of the mall. The second is a directory listing with address, phone, etc. While there is the founding date of the company, this does not meet WP:CORPDEPTH. The third is another ad. The fourth is a webpage from La Gloria's competitors and the site is under construction. The fifth is the El Nueva Dia article.
  2. I went searching for more information. I tried Newspapers.com to see if Florida papers might have something. No results. I searched for Puerto Rican newspapers and found this listing. I tried several papers, especially those that deal with business, but no results there either. I did a search for "La Gloria zapateria" and "La Gloria calzado" and "Tiendas La Gloria", no results. Aurornisxui (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep here is another resource: [2] (My apologies. You did say to add new comments below. I found this: :::A document by the Federal Communications Commissions calls it "one of the principal shoe stores in Caguas, Puerto Rico" here, on page 387: [1] The book talks about it being around in the decade of the 70's. The Federal Communications Commission Report mentions the stores being around sooner than that. (The report was published in 1951- the store was a principal store in 1951). --the eloquent peasant (talk) 02:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A professor at the Business School of the University of Mayaguez in Puerto Rico wrote a book Negocios que han hecho historia en Puerto Rico about businesses of Puerto Rico, in which she features La Gloria. She stated she had to write the book so that universities of Puerto Rico could use business case studies of Puerto Rican, in their curriculum. She noted that up to that point that case studies used in business schools across the island were of American businesses, in books written in English.[3] the eloquent peasant (talk) 02:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I've tried 2 different computers, but all I can see of the FCC report is, as you said, it is "one of the principal shoe stores in Caguas, Puerto Rico". However, the article on the report is about the manager of La Gloria and not about the company itself. This still fails WP:ORGCRIT see the section Primary criteria. Like the NYT example, the FCC report is reliable, independent, and secondary, but the coverage about the store La Gloria is not significant.
  2. The second source you cite merely mentions La Gloria, as well as 9 other retailers. The section is about commercial transformation, how older and newer buildings will make up the new commercial areas on Puerto Rico. It uses La Gloria merely as an example of the kind of store that will be in this new commercial area. For significant, independent, reliable, and secondary sources, you will need to find more articles like El Nueva Dia that talk in depth about La Gloria.
  3. Lastly, the book you mention still does not talk about the store La Gloria. it mentions the modern slogan of the store and that the vice president of the company spoke about how important the book was. The companies profiled in the book, according to the article you cited, are E. Franco and Company, El Meson Sandwiches, Compofresco Processing as well as Ricomini and Vasallo, plus two international companies. Again, sources must have significant coverage -- meaning in depth coverage about the company La Gloria, and not just be mentions of it to qualify.Aurornisxui (talk) 15:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"It is the quality of the content that governs." and it looks like the article in El Nuevo Día is a good quality article on the shoe store.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 15:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is, but you need more than one quality source to be notable. Aurornisxui (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was reading this again and it says "A single significant independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization." I think this means that multiple sources are not always required. I still believe the article in the newspaper is sufficient. Also I understand the FCC report was mainly about the guy, but it did mention the company as a Principle company in Puerto Rico.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b United States. Federal Communications Commission (1951). Federal Communications Commission Reports. V. 1-45, 1934/35-1962/64; 2d Ser., V. 1- July 17/Dec. 27, 1965-. Federal Communications Commission.
  2. ^ Laura L. Ortiz-Negrón (30 November 2012). Shopping en Puerto Rico:: Prácticas, significados y subjetividades de consumo. BookBaby. pp. 261–. ISBN 978-1-62309-919-0.
  3. ^ Vélez Candelario, Azyadeth (September 11, 2009). "Noticias y Eventos". UPRM (in Spanish). Retrieved 22 January 2019.
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