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Semi?

"played a semi-fictionalized version of herself..." I am wondering how it is 'semi' fiction? I have not seen it, but fictionalized means it is based on some facts and some fiction already, it does not require word 'semi' in front. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdeleted (talk • contribs) 19:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody fixed that, no semi on the page, only fictionalized. –84.46.53.16 (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sasha grey

According to her blog, she was on CBS. Can anyone confirm this?

A: Yes. She was interviewed on the TV show 'The Insider' which runs on CBS. It's been posted on YouTube.

A: Yes. She has a much more indepth and current interview on VBS.TV in the shot by Kern section. Unfortunately this site was deemed as spam for a yet to be declared reason. Should be noted that Sasha Grey's website links to this interview, and is the only link on her site besides her myspace blog, where she links to the same VBS.TV interview.

______________ Is she catholic or agnostic? (see her Myspace page)

A Brazilian magazine, EleEla, says that she was born in Fortaleza, Brazil. http://eleela.terra.com.br/aberto/423/artigo40652-1.htm?o=r (in Portuguese)

Apparently the archive bot wants a timestamp, and born in Brazil is clearly fictitious. –84.46.53.16 (talk) 07:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pornographic Career

It appears she is no longer under management for her "mainstream affairs" with The Spread Group which is verified in two different sources, the management website http://www.thespreadgroup.com/ and her personal twitter page now states otherwise. CP30777 (talk)CP30777

-No,not Brazilian.- No. According to her own website (accessed 9.13.11) she was indeed born in California. ~ b

Apparently the archive bot wants a timestamp, and that URL is useless. –84.46.53.16 (talk) 07:07, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dubiously cited information under "Personal Life"

Under "personal life," the last paragraph (apparently very recently added, if you look under the history) is about her taking out a restraining order against her ex-husband and saying he forced her into porn. This is a very wild accusation that doesn't seem to fit with the rest of her history, and the only citation to it is a TMZ article. TMZ being not too trustworthy, I think this paragraph should be removed, pending further confirmation.

I've never contributed to Wikipedia before, so I'm not exactly sure what to do in this situation. What does everybody else think?

Jakenbacon (talk) 06:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TMZ was the original source of the Read Across America incident, if you remember. The article said that the court documents exist, and that Ian could not be reached for comment. TMZ would be up for some serious libel charges from both Sasha and Ian had this never happened, especially since it involves specific instances of physical violence ("On one occasion she told him she forgot to check one of her porn sex partner's STD test and he flew into a rage, hurling household objects at her.") While there is no way to prove the extent of Ian's influence, the article is legitimate and belongs in place. -bleak_fire_ (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I am not sure if you are familiar with domestic violence (my mother works in the field), but it isn't just about the violence, there is a whole psychological element of control and manipulation of the victim. For example, constantly checking browser history and telephone calls, preventing the victim from speaking to friends/family without permission, etc. -bleak_fire_ (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed it. TMZ by itself is not an appropriate source. See RSN archives. I looked for stronger sources to support the details but could not find any in English. Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure this is a parody? This is very serious stuff and isn't funny... -bleak_fire_ (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I missed it. Where did MorbidThoughts say that TMZ was a parody? Dismas|(talk) 00:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone's saying this is goofy celebrity gossip. -bleak_fire_ (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Parody is not the same as goofy celebrity gossip. See parody. Dismas|(talk) 05:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I guarantee TMZ would wind up in serious legal trouble if this was a fabrication. They are describing specific instances of physical abuse. Look how Sasha reacted to the stupid Snowden app - do you think Sasha and Ian would let this stay on TMZ's site this long without a retraction if it was a fake? -bleak_fire_ (talk) 01:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I'm a fan of TMZ, but I'd say that primarily as a gossip site and tv show that they wouldn't have existed for very long if they were in the habit of promoting false, unsubstantiated, and/or questionable stories. They are owned and operated by a lawyer for a reason, granted most of their "news" is salacious, titilating, etc. and that is part of what makes them popular. That said, if the material is contentious and can't be attributed to additional sources, then I say wait and see. If other RS emerge, then the content is fair game. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 03:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll stand back on this for now, but I still suspect cognitive dissonance going on in this thread. -bleak_fire_ (talk) 03:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the record Bleak, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just advocating patience. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes..I did an extensive search and only came up with TMZ or pages that linked to the TMZ article. So, agreed, it doesn't belong on the page at the moment. Metafis (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm..Now almost April 2015, and still the ONLY source for this is TMZ, the citations point to TMZ or sites that quoted TMZ...I can find NOTHING else about this anywhere. Time for the section to be removed?. 109.152.234.69 (talk) 00:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"I guarantee TMZ would wind up in serious legal trouble if this was a fabrication." I mean no offense at all, but your "guarantees" are meaningless when it comes to creating a credible encyclopedia article. Only one thing should matter - is the source credible? Also - there is no link to the TMZ source in this article. The link is to an article on "complex.com", which then links to TMZ. Why isn't the ORIGINAL source listed in the article? This is just sloppy work here.

"Not that I'm a fan of TMZ, but I'd say that primarily as a gossip site and tv show that they wouldn't have existed for very long if they were in the habit of promoting false, unsubstantiated, and/or questionable stories." My friend, ever heard of magazines like the National Enquirer, The Sun, Star, etc? These junk tabloids have been in business for decades, surviving MANY lawsuits, and they continue to publish BS that no one believes (and most decent people don't even care about). It's possible that TMZ gets away with publishing fabrications because most people just automatically assume it's BS, and celebrities don't have the time to be going after a magazine or website publishing BS (there is no shortage of them, afterall - it would be very time consuming) as they assume people don't believe it.

The TMZ article cites "court documents". Yet they don't show a photo or scan of any. Sometimes TMZ has posted scans of official court documents, and this gives those particular articles credibility. So in short, this particular Sasha Grey TMZ article has zero credibility, and linking to it does a real disservice to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.222.212 (talk) 02:47, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, somewhat. TMZ is not by itself a reliable source, and the Complex article is essentially a rehash of it. So unless/until someone comes up with a better source, it goes out. Tabercil (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've finally acted on this, since there seems to be consensus that TMZ, like National Enquirer, is not an acceptable source (notably, TMZ does not even present the "court documents" they claim to have obtained), especially with WP:BLP issues concerning both Sasha Grey and Ian Cinnamon. There were two other sources cited, but those simply referred back to TMZ as the source.

It has been two years now and Sasha Grey has given several interviews since then. I've searched, and I have yet to see one where she claims to have been pressured or coerced in any way to work in porn, nor any in the last few years where she talks about Ian Cinnamon at all. It is likely that they are no longer in a relationship, so I also changed the previous sentence to emphasize that they were in a relationship as of 2009 and dropped the part about their being engaged. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a sentence about the restraining order (which Grey confirmed in a 2017 Daily Beast interview), but omitted the allegation that her ex pressured/coerced her into adult films (which was not specifically mentioned in the Daily Beast interview). ZeppoShemp (talk) 23:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eminem video appearance

How about to add some notion on her appearance in one of Eminem's videos?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JByDbPn6A1o 109.206.156.72 (talk) 21:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The video is listed under #Music videos. –84.46.52.107 (talk) 18:49, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seven links in the "External links" section is too many for a B-class article. Four, or five with consensus, but links creeping in, because of course they are all important, is excessive. Not all aspects of a subjects life, including web presence, needs to be recorded in the "External links" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otr500 (talk • contribs) 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Somebody, maybe you, already fixed that. For the music I replaced a very poor Allmusic link by {{Discogs artist}}, after doing something similar on dewiki. –84.46.53.19 (talk) 09:37, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't me. It was trimmed on Oct. 14th. I usually revisit tags but didn't. I see I also did not sign my comments above, that resulted from placing an "External links" tag on the article, on the same date. Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 12:29, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Smash Cut vs. Bloodlust Zombies

@TheGracefulSlick: How about https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245735/ as reference? As secondary source IMDb isn't exactly WP:42, but good enough to find a trailer for the movie. –84.46.52.51 (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, https://www.blu-ray.com/Smash-Cut/29455/ might do it, there are over 500 links to this site from enwiki. –84.46.52.51 (talk) 23:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Steam5: It was the wrong movie and another actress; it should be okay now. –84.46.52.51 (talk) 00:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved
 – by Steam5 –84.46.52.51 (talk) 02:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

At the moment #Controversies is about one event in 2011, the Guest Reading Program at Emerson Elementary School. This short section could be merged into #Activism together with her PETA, NSA, Equal Pay Day, … activities: Sections about #Controversies are unusual in WP:BLPs. OTOH controversial activism is as it should be, she uses her click bait  value intentionally. –84.46.52.51 (talk) 11:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implemented pending review + reviewed. –84.46.52.107 (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Model vs. writer

@Steam5: About the short description; Grey's appearances as model were only a small part of actress (Penthouse etc.) in the 2006–2010 period. For a BLP writer+DJ since 2011 are more on topic. –84.46.52.107 (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved
 – by Steam5, thanks, copied to wikidata. –84.46.52.107 (talk) 13:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Random observation, model is a disambiguation page including Das Model (1978), very apropos, but it requires time travel. –84.46.53.83 (talk) 15:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pendu Sound Recordings

FYI, the last red link on Sasha Grey can be now resolved by Draft:Pendu Sound Recordings, please kick it if you can, it's one of several possible showstoppers for a GA review request.
Other issues: All references have to be checked and fixed with WAYBACK if they don't work as expected. The #Activism section should cover Equal Pay Day and maybe Planned Parenthood, unless that ends up in a hopeless tangle with donations from selling her merch. The relevance of more than 1.2M Twitter followers is unclear (for me), feedback requested on enwiki doesn't care how many friends you have. –84.46.53.62 (talk) 15:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Something about Sasha Grey in art and culture as pop icon, role model or similar is also missing, maybe as new section under #Personal life mentioning Richard Phillips, Richard Prince etc.[1] Not sure how to tackle this: –84.46.53.251 (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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