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Ngao (weapon)

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Not sure if this is a hoax or not, but most of the English Google search results are Wikipedia mirrors, and the few that aren't appear to have got their information from this article. From what I can tell, Ngao is simply the Thai word for halberd or Guandao. In fact, the Thai article th:ง้าว appears to be about the Guandao, or some other Chinese weapon (not a Thai one). Adam9007 (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This is certainly not a hoax. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The book Phil Bridger linked is a publication of the National Museum at Bangkok (I couldn't find their collection online). I'm not at all an expert on weapons, so I can't help in deciding if this is different from, for instance, a halberd. One commercial site which once sold such a weapon (https://www.ashokaarts.com/shop/rare-polearm-from-thailand-dha-blade-and-ankus-) refers to a similar weapon at the Royal Armouries in Leeds. Looking through the Leeds collection, the closest thing I can find is an elephant goad, which could be another appropriate merge/redirect destination.. Smmurphy^(Talk) 12:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Definitely not a hoax. Not similar to the halberd. Very similar to the guandao, though I'm not sure whether merging is warranted. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:,That's right I don't believe it's a hoax, but may be merge is the answer Alex-h (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments The article contains (ง้าว,ของ้าว) which translates to Halberd but it doesn't appear to resemble any shown at Pole weapon. I would never consider merging unsourced content as that is just transferring issues. Add to that some Admins don't consider "merge" a part of AFD even though the lead states "Common outcomes are that the article is kept, merged...". The description in the article seems similar to the fu tao ngao (tiger-head hook sword, pp.26) which looks similar to the long-handled broadsword minus the hook (pp. 25). If there is a connection then there is a reference but if not then delete as unsource-able. Otr500 (talk) 01:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Where are you getting the translation as "halberd"? Google Translate is rubbish, and should be disregarded. The subject is clearly not unsourceable, as a source has been given above. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - I hesitate to !vote keep because I would struggle to bring the article to an acceptable standard. That said, the translation as halberd seems to have a couple sources, which lead me to believe that it is a bad translation. One, in a number of similar to identical google books based discussions of Krabi Krabong, "ngao" is said to translate to "halberd" (see [1], [2]). Two, in Richard Cushman's translation of "The Royal Chronicles of Ayutthaya" published by The Siam Society in 2000.. The Royal Chronicles of Ayutthaya. The Siam Society, 2000, which is discussed and criticized here.[3] My current inclination is that given the variation in what ngao refers to, a short page like the current one with some information about some of the various usages might be nice (usages spanning from "long handled sword" and maybe "halberd"[4] to "war scythe"[5]). Smmurphy^(Talk) 14:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]