Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 16

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February 16

Delete - KKBox#Development mentions the existence of the awards but no details are given, certainly not a list of winners. Fails the basic requirement. Nigej (talk) 20:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Golden Melody Award for Best Female Taiwanese Singer

Template:Golden Melody Award for Best Female Taiwanese Singer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

award without article The Banner talk 19:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Golden Melody Awards#Categories mentions the award but we don't seem to have a list of winners. Hence, the template fails that basic requirement. Nigej (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Golden Melody Award for Best Male Taiwanese Singer

Template:Golden Melody Award for Best Male Taiwanese Singer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

award without article The Banner talk 19:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Golden Melody Awards#Categories mentions the award but we don't seem to have a list of winners. Hence, the template fails that basic requirement. Nigej (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan might be helpful here, and would probably appreciate notice of the discussion if you haven't posted it there yet. Articles for some of the annual awards have lists of nominees/winners, e.g. 19th Golden Melody Awards#Best Taiwanese Male Singer, 23rd Golden Melody Awards#Best Taiwanese Male Singer, 25th Golden Melody Awards#Best Male Taiwanese Singer. They could be made into an article similar to Golden Melody Award for Best Mandarin Album. (At present I've no opinion on whether to keep the template or not.) BlackcurrantTea (talk) 02:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TaipeiFest Best Feature Film

Template:TaipeiFest Best Feature Film (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

award without article (link leads to the festival, not the award) The Banner talk 19:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kinema Junpo Award for Best Foreign Language Film

Template:Kinema Junpo Award for Best Foreign Language Film (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

award without article The Banner talk 19:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! light novel rankings No.1

Template:Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! light novel rankings No.1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unclear what the purpose of this navigation template is. The Banner talk 19:15, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ahnentafel-chart

Template:Ahnentafel-chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ahnentafel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Ahnentafel-chart with Template:Ahnentafel.
Standardisation. Shouldn't Template:Ahnentafel suffice? PPEMES (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

{{Ahnentafel-chart}} is a generalisation of {{3gen}} which was proposed for merger last April (see Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_24#Template:3gen) The prosal was turned down. As I suggested in that discussion I rewrote the template to allow for more than three generations. I based the code on {{chart}} so the same tree can be built using {{chart}} but that is more difficult (see Help:Family trees#Chart template).

Oppose The display that template Ahnentafel creats is not a standard used by all secondary sources, it is an American format for Ahnentafel trees. Other formats which are more typically Continental European (such as an tree with branches (example in Help:Family trees#Chart template) and in the first image to the right (the second shows an Ahnentafe tree built the opposite way from the wikipedia Ahnentafel template). If someone is willing to recoded the {{Ahnentafel}} template to display top to bottom, bottom to top and right to left, then a merge would be possible, but not while it can only display left to right (American style). -- PBS (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia is not paper based, keeping this template allows the option to use it, and it does not interfer with anything else. -- PBS (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. The question of a possible standardised presentation, and if so which, still remain, though, doesn't it? PPEMES (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No it does not because while there has to be consisteny withing an article, there is no reason for consisteny across articles: hence "Orange (colour)" and "Green (color)" with different spelling of colour and colour within the articles. -- PBS (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's see how other commentators evaluate that comparison. I still think reader's convenience merits a consideration leaning towards some kind of standard (if not for exceptionate reasons). PPEMES (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have suggested a merger. If they are to be merged then you (or someone who wants to write some code) will have to add code to do the merge. If that is not done then what you are doing in eliminating other editors choices to use different styles. Why should all articles use an American style Ahnentafel tree? If other editors agree with you then they can choose to use {{Ahnentafel}} but that is no reason to remove {{Ahnentafel-chart}} and remove that choice before {{Ahnentafel}} has been altered to allow European style displays.-- PBS (talk) 19:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above comments. No strong need for a merge, reflects diversity of use here with no convincing reason to standardise, and allows articles to better reflect regional variation.--Tom (LT) (talk) 03:41, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Blogger

Template:Blogger (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete after converting (edit: or redirect) to {{Official}} or another appropriate generic external website link template.

There is no point of making a dedicated template just for linking to this (one of many) blog hosting services. In most cases, which service hosts somebody's website is not a relevant aspect of the article about them. (I noticed this e.g. here, in an article about a writer). We would not normally otherwise mention who hosts a website, unless it is germane to the topic. All we are doing by having such a template is providing free advertising for the hosting provider. Sandstein 11:13, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge to {{official}}. I see no prior discussion on the blogger template to justify distinguishing it from the more general template. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the moment. If this template is being used for promotional purposes, eg. linking to blogger when itsn't a notable part of the articles, then uses should be removed. However I can see that it could make the editing experience easier and I think the large number of uses are evidence of that. So although I can see there is an ideological reason for deleting, which I am partial to, I think there is a pragmatic reason for keeping. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:57, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, for a foobar.blogspot.com the web site feed d:Property:P1019 is a known pattern foobar.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss and {{blogger|foobar}} would be all it takes to create the statement. With {{official website|foobar.blogspot.com}} it's minimally more convoluted, something in the direction of "is there a dot blogspot dot substring in the URL", not necessarily followed by com. Not really difficult, any bot owner intending to get thousands of web site feeds into WikiData will manage it, eventually. OTOH, is that a case of WP:AINTBROKE, what exactly are you trying to fix? –84.46.52.45 (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and modify so that the visible text only says "FOO on blog". I noticed this TfD when I tried to use this template {{blogspot|soodvikram}} which gave the result "Vikram Sood on Blogger". I think User:Sandstein's suggestion that we must not be advertising blogspot makes sense. So why not just rename "blogger" as a generic "blog" and solve this issue. I dont agree with merging with {{Official}}. IMHO I feel this template is useful for cases when the subject does not have an official website but still has a personal blog. --DBig Xrayᗙ 12:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, but it's not the same thing as "any blog". Technical details for Blogspot vs. Wordpress vs. "DIY" differ and can be relevant, e.g., what's the feed URL, is it Atom or RSS, who can comment, and can the blog appear as ordinary webpage foobar.org. Same idea as for a Wiki, I'd want to know if that is MediaWiki or something else. –84.46.53.251 (talk) 06:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Songkick

Template:Songkick (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

External WP:SPAMLINK: also violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LINKFARM. KokoPhantom (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not spam. Not in violation of WP:LINKFARM. No argument supporting either accusation has been made). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- It's clearly promotional, and goes over the line of What Wikipedia Is Not. KokoPhantom (talk) 21:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - It is not anything of the kind, much less clearly so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. External links to encyclopedic information are ok, even when they are commercial sites, but tour dates in the near future are surely not encyclopedic. Nigej (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- More FUD. The template links to past, as well as future, tour dates, as can clearly be seen at, for example, the Songkick entry for Pink Floyd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Speedy delete from the IPs after my 2nd check found this on Pink Floyd, when will they go on tour again? –84.46.53.251 (talk) 18:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lira

Template:Lira (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pound (currency) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Lira with Template:Pound (currency).
{{Lira}} is redundant to {{Pound (currency)}} because the origins for the words "pound" and "lira" are the same. Additionally, there are already currencies named "lira" in the Pound (currency) template. There should only be one template for currencies named pound, lira, livre, or similar. Eye snore 15:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replace/revert and delete Lira template - {{Pound (currency)}} has all the currencies in {{Lira}} except the Italian Lira which was removed from it by an IP user on 6 September 2017. The Lira template is quite new: 25 November 2018‎ and has 9 transclusion, made by the same user at the same time, who deleted Pound (currency) from those articles where he found it. Article Lira still has the Pound (currency) template. Seems logical to simply replace/revert the 9 uses of the Lira template with Pound (currency) and then delete it, to get back to where we started. All a lot of wasted effort. Nigej (talk) 16:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Nigej: I just restored the Italian lira link to the {{Pound (currency)}} template. Eye snore 16:56, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Maldives

Template:Infobox Maldives (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox settlement (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox Maldives with Template:Infobox settlement.
Nothing of any added value here that cannot be easily provided by direct use of {{Infobox settlement}}. Another incarnation of this template (Template:Infobox Maldives atoll) has already been removed via This TFD. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 05:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No merger necessary; delete the Maldives box after replacing with Infobox settlement, through substitution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @Pigsonthewing and Zackmann08: - it is used on physical islands. Are islands to be covered by IB settlement too? 77.183.150.15 (talk) 17:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Per its documentation, Infobox settlement is "used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, et cetera—in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country". Note that Infobox Maldives is already a wrapper for Infobox settlement. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Pigsonthewing: that was a reply but no answer (to my question). To phrase it differently: The wrapping might be wrong? 77.183.150.15 (talk) 20:46, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Pigsonthewing: - haven't seen it before, per doc of IB Maldives "island", like "atoll", seems also to be an administrative territorial entity (ATE). 77.183.150.15 (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Replace and delete My concerns about the confusing name of the template aside, getting rid of all these wrappers will make the main template easier to update. Concerns about this new IP editor raised below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox settlement wrappers

Template:Infobox Bulgarian province (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 28 transclusions
Template:Infobox Egyptian Governorate (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 29 transclusions
Template:Infobox Estonian municipality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 0 transclusions
Template:Infobox German state (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 16 transclusions
Template:Infobox Mexico metropolitan area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 5 transclusions
Template:Infobox Peru region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 24 transclusions
Template:Infobox Province of China (ROC) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 0 transclusions
Template:Infobox Scotland council area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 34 transclusions
Template:Infobox Scotland county (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 24 transclusions
Template:Infobox Syrian district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 60 transclusions - used for different types: 17 districts, 43 subdistricts

Unnecessary wrappers for {{Infobox settlement}}, with limited transclusions, on pretty stable sets of articles. Subst:itution will reduce the maintenance overhead, reduce the cognitive burden for editors, and enable articles to benefit more immediately from improvements to the current parent template.

See also recent batches of similar wrappers, which were all deleted: 2018 November 23, 2019 February 6.

Despite being named "Infobox settlement" the template is not only used for settlements. Per its documentation, Infobox settlement is "used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, et cetera—in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country". That is practice for over a decade, it is used on ~ 500000 articles. 77.183.150.15 (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all after replacement by substitution as appropriate. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:56, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Replace and delete My concerns about the confusing name of the template aside, getting rid of all these wrappers will make the main template easier to update. Also, does the sudden intensity and complicated nature of the IP edits raise any eyebrows around here? --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- No. IP editors are as welcome as any other. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]