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Rewrite

I have rewritten this article, so I am including the old version here. As far as I know Turkish coffee is never prepared the following way in Turkey. If someone can point out where it is prepared this way, we should reintegrate it into the article. ato 07:00, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's not prepared that way in Greece, but it's also not prepared the way the article now says it is. In Greece, the briki is usually straight-sided or only slightly tapered, not narrow at the top, for example. It can also sometimes be boiled (vrasto), but usually is brought to just below the boiling point. --Delirium 23:10, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Stop insisting that Turkish coffee is also known as Greek coffee. Only Greeks call it Greek coffee. Even Arabs call it Turkish coffee even though it is originally Arabic coffee. Stop being so nationalistic.

That is true, on in Greece and in Greek restaurants around the world (also occasionally in Cyprus and some Greek Cypriot restaurants), it is known as Greek coffee. But it tastes the same. Time for a kafedaki. Politis 18:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I edited information about terms used in different communities. The term “Greek coffee” is used before Turkish intervention/invasion of Cyprus (1974). It might be politically motivated but it is much older. The same apply to terms used in former Yugoslavia. As far I know, they never used term “Bosnian coffee” in Serbia and Croatia. Even in Bosnia and Herzegovina, borders among ethnic communities may be identified by the term they use for this drink. Also, note they have slightly different words for coffee: kava [1], kahva [2], and kafa [3]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.69.85 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 4 July 2006

Well, I deleted "Greek coffee", "Surj" etc. I don't care what others call it. Chinese might call it cong cung coffee. Why is it important? I perceive such attempts as theft of the values of a culture. It is not Greek coffee. Ottomans brought the tradition of coffee to the Western world. They owned the coffee plants in Yemen and introduced this drink to Europe. This is why it is known as Turkish coffee. If you think it is Greek coffee, you should provide the history and reasons for it.

Cardamom

As the article stands, cardamom is only incidentally mentioned. Isn't it an integral ingredient? It would be nice if someone in the know could clarify it in the article. --84.13.10.89 14:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Funny: I was going to write just thi ssame thing. --Rmalloy 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Old article

Turkish coffee is a medium-roast coffee, but due to its small cup size and preparation method, it is similar in strength to espresso. It can be either sweetened or not depend on preference, but is not drunk with milk.

Turkish coffee is prepared by the cup. Each cup is prepared in its own small copper pot. The grounds used are very fine and are served in the coffee.

The process involves three boilings. First the water is boiled on its own. The pot is removed and the grounds are added. The water is brought to a boil a second time, and removed. Now sugar is added, and the pot is brought to a third and final boil. Take great precaution not to bring it to a roaring boil as that would take away the taste of the coffee.

Note, however, that the exact method of preparation seems to vary somewhat; see this page for a slightly different method.

Turkish coffee grounds are sometimes flavoured with cardamom.

Pictures

The picture in the Istanbul coffe shop and Cretan implements are great. The how to make the coffee are really confusing, in fact they say nothing at all. That picture needs to be deleted. - Politis 18:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will not object to the proposed deletion. Bertilvidet 11:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surj

Does anybody know what Surj is? It redirects here. Andreas 21:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Surj is the Armenian word for coffee, not only Turkish coffee. Turkish coffee is referred to as Armenian coffee by Armenians. Hakob 01:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Psychiologic warfare does certainly corrupt reality.If I were an Indian or Maya descendant,I wouldn't refer anything American or Spanish under a different name.--85.97.76.234 16:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Divide into sections?

Nicely done article, very clear. But should it not be divided into sections? After the first part, which can remain untitled, Equipment, Preparation. Then the paragraph beginning "There are other philosophies of preparing.." and ending "as connoissieurs claim—on the palate." could be moved above the paragraph "All the coffee in the pot is poured ..." (into the Preparation section). The paragraph "All the coffee in the pot..." will begin the Drinking section. I think this would make the article a little easier on the eyes.

The sections now in place seem effective, so I removed the sections tag. ENeville 06:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History back to Damascus?

I remember hearing that the recepy for Turkish coffee - as cooked on the lands between the Ionian and Caspian Seas - originates in Damascus.

Secondly, is the Turkish method the original way of cooking coffee in Europe (outside the Americas)? Politis 17:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic Coffee vs. Turkish Coffee

I noticed that Arabic coffee redirects to Turkish coffee. I think the two are different! Comments? Shijaz 03:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic coffee should not re-direct to Turkish Coffee, but it does require a link.

There are two types of Arabic coffee in the Arab world. The first is the Bedouin way which contains cardamon and other spices are added when you buy it. It has a special coffee pot and the coffee cups are also small but with no handle. The portions are very small, covering the bottom of the cup. It is served in houses and in good restaurants by specially clad waiters, it is usually complimentary. It is also offered at weddings and funerals. In Saudi Arabia it is yellowish, but in Jordan it is dark. It is called 'ahwe saada' (plain) because it comes without sugar and is a little bitter. In Arabic funerals, the men and women gather separately; it has become very fashionable to employ very presentable women whose only job is to serve coffee all day to the women.
The other type of Arabic coffee is Turkish coffee but it is ordered as 'ahwe arabiha'; however, it is prepared the same way as Turkish coffee. Politis 14:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True. I have added some information and an image at Culture of Bahrain which descrives the first kind of coffee you mention.Shijaz 14:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is universally acknowledged as Turkish coffee. No pandering to nationalistic titles by people who hate everything and anything Turkish [This was unsigned]

It is not exact to state that it is universally acknowledged as Turkish coffee; however, that is the most recognised appellation for it, especially in the countries where if forms a traditional beverage. Politis 15:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurukahveci Mehmet Efendi

On my last holiday to Istanbul I visited this historic premises, its one of the most prestigous Turkish Coffee brands and produced in the tradditional manner, ground freshly.

I must say it is totally delicious, if you get the chance try this, its the Real McCoy

Here's the site

http://www.mehmetefendi.com/eng/pages/kkme1.html

Byzantium ?

Reference to byzantium is simply idiotic while there were no coffee drinking while it was alive.

Not exactly

Hey, I don't know if the Byzantium reference was apropriate or not, but calling it idiotic is mean, and a can assure you that when Byzantium fell in the early 1400s, coffee drinking was around. Kennethmyers 01:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Does anyone still want to merge the articles, or can we get rid of the notice?

Kennethmyers 01:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalist Manipulation

I am going to remove "greeks opened first coffee shop" statement which is injected without citation, also it is unexpected while coffe is known to the east. Also after years of conquest calling city with old name which is stable and without resistance as "ottoman accuppied" is simply intentional. City was no more constantinople nor there was a byzantium. Utku a

The city was renamed to 'Istanbul' in 1930. This says a lot... Hectorian 05:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you living in a tangent universe or someting? This is bullshit, I am in istanbul as it was since 15th century. Also coffe was known to east and first coffee arrivel to the istanbul after Turkish conquest is not some kind of coincidence. You are corrupting the article. Stop mentioning your so called thesis as facts withour PROPER citation. --85.96.179.60 07:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek vandalism again

They are reverting the article to make it contain "Greeks opened first coffee shop" without citation.