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New Images - Proposals

Please let me know if there are any objections to these new rotating images. Kindly comment below. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 00:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC))

New Images - Clothing

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The Didarganj Yakshi depicting the dhoti wrap.
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Support or Oppose

  • Support: The rotating image provides value to section. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Oppose: Unmitigated garbage. All stitched clothes were introduced to India by the Muslims; all garments of gods and goddesses of the Hindu pantheons in Hindu temples in North India are made by Muslim tailors. Indeed the profession of a tailor in north India is usually associated with Muslims. What is all this Hindu garbage. The Hindus wore only draped clothes before the Muslim conquest of India. This is documented in several books on the history of clothing in India. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
@Highpeaks35: I apologize for the intemperate and ambiguous language. Nothing personal was meant. I have scratched that bit.Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Fowler&fowler (talk · contribs) Your bigitory with the above statement is not acceptable. No one made it Hindu vs. Muslim. It is about Indian clothing, regardless they are from Northeast, North, South and historical image of drapes. Again, you need to apologize for your language like "Hindu garbage".
@Anarchyte, Oshwah, and RegentsPark: please see the above statement by User:Fowler&fowler, such racist and religiously sectarian and communal language should not be permitted on wiki. "Hindu garbage" - are you kidding me? (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2019 (UTC))
The bigotry is not mine; it is yours. You are the one who is relentlessly introducing "Hindu" when Hindu is irrelevant, advertising the garments in the context of Hindu, when the garments were introduced by Muslims into India. Sherwani, achkan, paijama, are all Muslim garments. Please don't try project your own biases on others. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
PS And what about the elitist, Bollywood, culture masquerading as Indian culture. Really? Most Indian women wear string blouses with their saris? What percentage? 0.01% That is true racism, showcasing light-skinned Bollywood actresses wearing apparel out of the reach of 99% of India. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Nothing in those cloths were religion based. Only the wedding were mentioned. You bought the crude language, by using "Hindu garbage". Those cloths, as described, are worn by majority of people, cherry-picking one sting blouses pic is non-issue and we could have removed that. Now you are bringing skin color? Wow!!! I am lost for words. Only 3 pics are Bollywood, two images are from the northeast, and two wedding photos and 2 artistic. Your racism and bigotry is unacceptable. I will do everything to report you. Calling me and my edits "Hindu garbage" will not get you anywhere. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC))
I agree with you. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable. Don't know how he's allowed to still do edits inspite of his bigot comments and bias clearly stated here. 1337 siddh (talk) 05:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, what specific South Indian dress are you refering to? Saris and Dhotis are the main south Indian dresses, and both are listed. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC))
Please google South Indian dress also It is mostly Sari pics, gents wear should also be added.--DBigXrayᗙ 23:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose This just isn't everyday wear, any person wearing this stuff everyday will be laughed at. Also, the midriff and navel stuff is extremely one-sided and doesn't take into consideration a major portion of the Indian population. Even if we consider that this is ceremonious wear it is still way out of touch with the realities. Regards. — fr ❄ 05:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I concur with User:FR30799386--DBigXrayᗙ 23:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - at least for the actresses and the Arvind Singh Mewar wedding. Google gives quite another impression for group Indian women, let alone group Indian men. [1] surely must be helpfull here.
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:48, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Love your images Joshua Jonathan. However, King Zebu and Highpeaks35 are looking to portray the Shining India and consider such images "poverty porn," to use KZ's expression. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Joshua Jonathan, thanks for your input. I have removed them and added one of your image. Let me know if you vote changes. Thanks for being easy to work with, unlike Fowler&fowler. Just his above statement was simply uncalled for, rude and bigoted. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 04:40, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
@DBigXray and FR30799386: Joshua Jonathan made very good recommendations, let us know if the above now is acceptable. Or if there are more images you recommend. Please put it below. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Comment I have now loaded all the images currently in the article in the subpage User:Fowler&fowler/Images in FA India. There are a total of 71 images in the article, including ten Featured Pictures. Many pictures are part of a rotating stack, so you won't see them all the time. The rotation was originally cyclic, incrementing by one every day. However a few years ago someone, without any discussion, changed it to random rotation, which means that the images are chosen randomly in the stack. Therefore, you might see the same image on two consecutive days, or you might not see it for many days, more days than there are images. I have pinged the editor who did this, and, in the absence of a reply, will be changing it back to cyclic rotation. Anyway, I have the sense that many editors are not aware of the full range of images that are already in the article. Please take a look at those images, and make your suggestions in the context of what is there. Please note that clothes, some beautiful ones, appear in many of these pictures. If you want some images removed, please make those suggestions too, suggesting replacements. I will soon be creating another subpage consisting of Wikipedia India-related featured pictures that are not already in the article. Once that page will be ready, there will be more choices available. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Highpeaks35: no need to repeat statements like "bigoted." And don't be mistaken: I can be a pain in the ass when I sense unjustified behavior. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:12, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: do you have more recommendations? I want to win your vote. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 05:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
How about this lungi image? (Highpeaks35 (talk) 05:18, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
Bhangra dancers in lungi.
I would prefer 1 instead of 3 (Women with dupatta.jpg) since it is a frontal image of the group of ladies. The group of Men in Bangalore is also good. the pic of child in Lungi is again not a representational pic of Indian dressing. --DBigXrayᗙ 13:00, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Cuisine

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Punjabi style vegetarian thali served in a restaurant.
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Support or Oppose

  • Support: The rotating image provides value to section. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Oppose Again, unbridled nonsense. Why the surfeit of "vegetarian thalis?" What percentage of Indians are vegetarians and go to a restaurant to order vegetarian thalis. What is in these thalis? Is it explained? If not, how is that information encyclopedic? (The trader castes of North India, particularly fussy about food to the extent of avoiding onions and garlic, hardly ever eat out.) At least the previous images are not the cheap, quick, ones lifted from restaurants. Besides, where is the Goan beef curry, the Dalit pork curry, the Muslim Kalia or the pasanda, the mutton/buffalo nehari, the Hyderabadi mutton biryani? The Bengali or Assamese fish dishes? Strongly object to one editor flooding this page with information-less images. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:10, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Fowler's views are spot on here. here is the article with the numbers. Vegetarian India A Myth? Survey Shows Over 70% Indians Eat Non-Veg, Telangana Tops List The list above has been cherry picked for vegetarian food with complete disregard to the figures and eating habits of 70% of Indians. It might have been inadvertent but the images selected does not adequately represent Indian cuisine. --DBigXrayᗙ 13:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, the Assamese, Sikkimese, and Bengali thalis are non-vegetarian. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Oppose The images don't in any form what so ever encompass the length and breadth of the Indian cuisine. Most of the thali's here are typical of those served in restaurants not belonging to the region which the thali is said to represent. Just looking at the Bengali thali tells me that there are five? meat dishes whereas a typical bengali meal contains only one. The Rajasthani thali is served in styrofoam plates coated with a silver lining? To top all of that of, the picture quality is horrible as is the captions which don't at all explain the components of the thali properly. — fr ❄ 05:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - this is all restaurant dishes. See commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Food_of_India.
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:07, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I have now loaded all the images currently in the article in the subpage User:Fowler&fowler/Images in FA India. There are a total of 71 images in the article, including ten Featured Pictures. Many pictures are part of a rotating stack, so you won't see them all the time. The rotation was originally cyclic, incrementing by one every day. However a few years ago someone, without any discussion, changed it to random rotation, which means that the images are chosen randomly in the stack. Therefore, you might see the same image on two consecutive days, or you might not see it for many days, more days than there are images. I have pinged the editor who did this, and, in the absence of a reply, will be changing it back to cyclic rotation. Anyway, I have the sense that many editors are not aware of the full range of images that are already in the article. Please take a look at those images, and make your suggestions in the context of what is there. Please note that clothes, some beautiful ones, appear in many of these pictures. If you want some images removed, please make those suggestions too, suggesting replacements. I will soon be creating another subpage consisting of Wikipedia India-related featured pictures that are not already in the article. Once that page will be ready, there will be more choices available. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:24, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment hi all, I would like to draw the attention of the users to Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Indian_cuisine_personal_user_awards#top which contains some very nice pictures of Indian cuisine that are fit for an FA article. Please take a look and include some of them. At the very least please make sure to include this Tandoori Chicken pic. regards --DBigXrayᗙ 20:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Dear @DBigXray:, Those are excellent pictures, and show individual dishes. I can't decide though if they are pictures of restaurant food or include home food as well, in the way that @Joshua Jonathan:'s pictures do, or as one-half of the picture currently in the article does. We have to strike a balance between the different forms of available food, special occasions food, peasant food, home food, restaurant food, and so forth, but you've given us a lot to think about. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Literature

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Rama and Hanuman fighting Ravana from Ramavataram, an album painting on paper from Tamil Nadu, c. 1820 CE.
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  • Support: The rotating image provides value to section. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Object strongly to all. All poor quality. All are pictures from texts. No explanation of what the texts say. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose all. 3 pics from Ramayana-Mahabharata and one Tamil author, again a very poorly thought selection of images. The nominator has not explained any kind of justification for this selection and appears to me be done without much thoughts.--DBigXrayᗙ 13:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - follow the text, and give illustrations to the text. Tghe illustratins above seem okay to me. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I have now loaded all the images currently in the article in the subpage User:Fowler&fowler/Images in FA India. There are a total of 71 images in the article, including ten Featured Pictures. Many pictures are part of a rotating stack, so you won't see them all the time. The rotation was originally cyclic, incrementing by one every day. However a few years ago someone, without any discussion, changed it to random rotation, which means that the images are chosen randomly in the stack. Therefore, you might see the same image on two consecutive days, or you might not see it for many days, more days than there are images. I have pinged the editor who did this, and, in the absence of a reply, will be changing it back to cyclic rotation. Anyway, I have the sense that many editors are not aware of the full range of images that are already in the article. Please take a look at those images, and make your suggestions in the context of what is there. Please note that clothes, some beautiful ones, appear in many of these pictures. If you want some images removed, please make those suggestions too, suggesting replacements. I will soon be creating another subpage consisting of Wikipedia India-related featured pictures that are not already in the article. Once that page will be ready, there will be more choices available. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Architecture

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Chennakesava Temple is a model example of the Hoysala architecture.
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Support or Oppose

  • Support: The rotating image provides value to section. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Oppose : because it does not adequately represent the Indian architecture. It is surprising to not see Taj Mahal, Red Fort, Char Minar, etc, from Islamic architecture in a list of Images that is supposed to represent Indian architecture. Again a very poorly thought selection of images. The nominator has not explained any kind of justification for this particular selection and appears to me be done without much thoughts.--DBigXrayᗙ 13:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, Taj Mahal and Red Fort are already in the article, they provide other info like government, tourism or religion. But, we can add Char Minar or others if it makes any difference. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC))
DBigXray, I have added Char Minar. Let me know if your vote changes. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Support: There are very few images in the India article which represent Hindu architecture. We already have an image of Taj Mahal (which represents Islamic Mughal style) and Rashtrapati Bhawan (which represents Anglo-Indian style). Given the fact that Hindu architecture represents native Indian architectural style doing back to thousands of years, it definitely deserves representation in the article. --King Zebu (talk) 05:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. 1337 siddh (talk) 05:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Joshua Jonathan, thanks! I think Toda Hut is a great addition. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 04:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
Joshua Jonathan, I have added it above. Let me know if your vote changes. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
@Joshua Jonathan:, @Highpeaks35: The Toda Hut, a Wikipedia featured picture, has been in the article for upward of ten years. It is in a rotating stack in the culture section: [[File:Toda Hut.JPG|thumb|A [[Toda people|Toda]] tribal hut exemplifies [[Indian vernacular architecture]].]]. Please note that the article already has 71 pictures. We can't add many more pictures. There are already pictures of cuisine and cooking, four or five, some with two sections, in the society section rotation group, and clothing appears in the demographic section image rotation, in the apparel worn by various diverse individuals; we can simply add the name of the clothing in the caption. These pictures already cover a wide range of clothing. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I have now loaded all the images currently in the article in the subpage User:Fowler&fowler/Images in FA India. There are a total of 71 images in the article, including ten Featured Pictures. Many pictures are part of a rotating stack, so you won't see them all the time. The rotation was originally cyclic, incrementing by one every day. However a few years ago someone, without any discussion, changed it to random rotation, which means that the images are chosen randomly in the stack. Therefore, you might see the same image on two consecutive days, or you might not see it for many days, more days than there are images. I have pinged the editor who did this, and, in the absence of a reply, will be changing it back to cyclic rotation. Anyway, I have the sense that many editors are not aware of the full range of images that are already in the article. Please take a look at those images, and make your suggestions in the context of what is there. Please note that clothes, some beautiful ones, appear in many of these pictures. If you want some images removed, please make those suggestions too, suggesting replacements. I will soon be creating another subpage consisting of Wikipedia India-related featured pictures that are not already in the article. Once that page will be ready, there will be more choices available. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:28, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Sports

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During a twenty four-year career, Sachin Tendulkar has set many batting records, including most runs in both tests and ODIs and most number of centuries in both tests and ODIs, making him one of the most successful cricketers ever.
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  • Indian hockey team, captained by Dhyan Chand (standing second from left), after winning the finals at the 1936 Summer Olympics – their third of six consecutive Olympic golds.
    Indian hockey team, captained by Dhyan Chand (standing second from left), after winning the finals at the 1936 Summer Olympics – their third of six consecutive Olympic golds.
  • A street-corner game of pachisi in Pushkar, Rajasthan.
    A street-corner game of pachisi in Pushkar, Rajasthan.
  • A game of kabaddi at the Asian Games.
    A game of kabaddi at the Asian Games.
  • Old polo field in Imphal, Manipur. The current polo game in its modern form originated in Manipur.
    Old polo field in Imphal, Manipur. The current polo game in its modern form originated in Manipur.
  • Cricket is the most popular game among India's masses. Shown here is an instance of street cricket.
    Cricket is the most popular game among India's masses. Shown here is an instance of street cricket.
  • Kalarippayattu, a martial art native to Kerala.
    Kalarippayattu, a martial art native to Kerala.
  • Indian chess grandmaster and former world champion Vishwanathan Anand competes at a chess tournament in 2005. Chess is commonly believed to have originated in India in the 5th century CE.
    Indian chess grandmaster and former world champion Vishwanathan Anand competes at a chess tournament in 2005. Chess is commonly believed to have originated in India in the 5th century CE.
  • During a twenty four-year career, Sachin Tendulkar has set many batting records, including most runs in both tests and ODIs and most number of centuries in both tests and ODIs, making him one of the most successful cricketers ever.
    During a twenty four-year career, Sachin Tendulkar has set many batting records, including most runs in both tests and ODIs and most number of centuries in both tests and ODIs, making him one of the most successful cricketers ever.

Support or Oppose

1. Boys playing football in Manipur.

1.This informative picture of boys playing soccer in Manipur has been replaced by a shabby image of an empty field, which is claimed to be an old polo field. No kidding. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

2. Girls play hopscotch in Juara, Madhya Pradesh.

2.This beautiful picture of girls playing hopscotch in Madhya Pradesh has been removed.

3. A game of kabaddi in Bagepalli, Karnataka

3. This beautiful picture has been replaced by a postage stamp resolution type picture of a bunch of skinny men playing kabaddi.

Recall, more than two thirds of India is rural. The other pictures are the same as the ones already in the stable version. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep as is I prefer the current set of pictures, though I feel adding a quality picture of people playing cricket wouldn't hurt. — fr ❄ 05:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Motion pictures, television

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AVM Studios in Chennai, India's oldest surviving film studio.
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References

  1. ^ Rosen, Elizabeth S. (1975). "Prince ILango Adigal, Shilappadikaram (The anklet Bracelet), translated by Alain Damelou. Review". Artibus Asiae. 37 (1/2): 148–150. doi:10.2307/3250226. JSTOR 3250226.
  2. ^ Rosen, Elizabeth S. (1975). "Prince ILango Adigal, Shilappadikaram (The anklet Bracelet), translated by Alain Damelou. Review". Artibus Asiae. 37 (1/2): 148–150. doi:10.2307/3250226. JSTOR 3250226.
  3. ^ a b Didactic Narration: Jataka Iconography in Dunhuang with a Catalogue of Jataka Representations in China, Alexander Peter Bell, LIT Verlag Münster, 2000 p.15ff

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Comments

Any reason why we need more images the article appears to have enough already. MilborneOne (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
These are rotating images for each section. These sections above are blank without any images and having one rotating image provide the reader with an added value. I am not proposing we have several images per section, just one rotating image which adds value - as mentioned, just the noted sections above which do not have any image. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 00:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
OK but I object to the new images, I dont think we need any more and commons is available to those interested. Some of the section are just overviews that already have image filled articles linked. MilborneOne (talk) 00:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
@MilborneOne: Understood, but, let me know if you find any of the above rotating galleries useful to their respected section. Or you object to all of it? (Highpeaks35 (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
I personally think we should have something for sports and clothing, at least. But, that is just me. We obviously need to agree as a community. :) (Highpeaks35 (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC))

Agree with @MilborneOne: We don't need new images, especially not adolescent touristy ones. India is not an industrialized power, at least the industrialization has not brought uniform wealth; otherwise India's rank in the list of countries by per capita income wouldn't still be 140 out of 180, just a few ranks above Pakistan and well below Sri Lanka and Bhutan. India is still a largely rural country. The percentage of Indians living in rural areas per the last census was 69%, some 3% below the previous census, but still more than two thirds. None of the images I see upstairs are of any worth for an FA. Recall, for those who remember, there was a time when only Featured Pictures were fielded in India, Wikipedia's oldest country featured article. We can't let it go to dogs on somebody's whim or fantasy. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

We certainly can't have pictures of a bunch of so-called Rajputs dressed up at a wedding, with caption: "Achkan sherwani and churidar (lower body) worn by Maharaja Arvind Singh Mewar and his kin during a Hindu wedding in Rajasthan, India." What Maharaja? The privileges, titles, and remuneration to the former rulers of princely states were abolished in 1971. And this fellow is a distant relative. He was the manager of the Lake Palace Hotel in Udaipur, where the Ambani's had Beyonce perform recently. Might as well have a picture of Beyonce in Indian outfit. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
PS I mean we can't have that picture on Wikipedia, let alone an FA. Please someone, delete it from WP, and the Maharaja's page as well. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
@Fowler&fowler: If Maharaja's sherwani picture does not meet FA, that is fine. We can remove it. That is the type of discussion we need to have, not edit warring. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:08, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
But you can't load pictures or text en mass as you have been doing in a Featured Article and then expect us to clean up your mess one item at a time. Similarly, please revert the textual mess you have created in the lead and the history and (probably) other sections to the stable version of RegentsPark. Then bring them up here for discussion one at a time (not in a big data dump). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:16, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
One thing at a time. It will get done. Also, what does industrialization have to do with the above? Those images are mainly about culture - not economy, per se. I think you are bringing User:King Zebu edits as well. But, those were accepted awile back by consensus. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
The textual edits were certainly weren't accepted by RegentsPark as I reverted to his reversion. Sorry, I can't discuss a image dump. All your images are poor quality. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
That is certainly fine. Let other editors comment. Thank you for giving your input, instead of edit warring. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC))

I'm still waiting for you to revert the text to the last stable version of RegentsPark. I don't see any consensus for the textual edits, to the poor language, exaggerated tone, etc. If you push your luck too much, I'll put it on FAR and have the FA status removed, and then you and your cohorts can work on a sinking ship all you want. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

We will move as we build consensus, not by your impatience. You do what needs to be done, however, I am not responsible for all the edits for the last year. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 02:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC))
I'm not a fan of the rotating image scheme in general, as it's apt to leave people mystified when they return to an article and can't find a photo they remember being there. Stick with a single good, representative picture, if you need one, and depend on people following links to articles on dress or cuisine, etc., to find illustrations there. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Currently the 'Geography' section of the article has a picture of the Himalayas next to prose about the Indian coastline... That's concerning given how beautiful the coasts are. Also why the 'Economy' section has two(?) gloomy pictures of rice fields is beyond me. Or why the 'Sports' section has a picture of a martial art (not a sport).

Perhaps drop this posturing about rotating images and collaborate on restoring or adding the best images to the article; maybe even try to find room for one or two more. Cesdeva (talk) 02:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment I have now loaded all the images currently in the article in the subpage User:Fowler&fowler/Images in FA India. There are a total of 71 images in the article, including ten Featured Pictures. Many pictures are part of a rotating stack, so you won't see them all the time. The rotation was originally cyclic, incrementing by one every day. However a few years ago someone, without any discussion, changed it to random rotation, which means that the images are chosen randomly in the stack. Therefore, you might see the same image on two consecutive days, or you might not see it for many days, more days than there are images. I have pinged the editor who did this, and, in the absence of a reply, will be changing it back to cyclic rotation. Anyway, I have the sense that many editors are not aware of the full range of images that are already in the article. Please take a look at those images, and make your suggestions in the context of what is there. Please note that clothes, some beautiful ones, appear in many of these pictures. If you want some images removed, please make those suggestions too, suggesting replacements. I will soon be creating another subpage consisting of Wikipedia India-related featured pictures that are not already in the article. Once that page will be ready, there will be more choices available. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:29, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Realism versus airbrushing in images, real or metaphorical

The Delhi Metro rapid transit system and the low-floor CNG buses. Infrastructure in India in the next five years is estimated to bring in $1 trillion in investment, half of it by India's private sector.
"The subject is the focus of the image.

This page has had a picture of the Delhi metro, and the bus transportation below, as an example of infrastructure development. user:King Zebu has attempted to change it to a picture of a empty, clean, metro station with train steaming in, or perhaps out, with this accompanying rationale: (Old image) "The image is so crowded. The subjects of the caption (CNG buses and Metro) are not in focus. Very bad image." (New Image) "The subject is the focus of the image."

But the subject of the first picture is really as much about "Infrastructure," the elevated concrete platforms supported by pillars for the trains, the roads below, that have made the systems operational. The concrete is very much in focus; as is the orange bus and pavement below (you can read the license plate number). The crowds are fairly normal for a metro station in Delhi. As for the new image, it shows a Bombardier Transportation train built in Canada (the filename is: DelhiMetroBlueLineBombardier), purchased by India, steaming into a empty, clean, station. What is the picture a representation of? Canadian technology? Or of a generic train station, for if you did not notice something written in Devanagari on the top left corner, you would have little idea of where the picture was taken. In other words, even when you are showing modern sectors of the economy, you have to show them in the context of India, with its crowds, chaotic traffic, litter on the street, and so forth, in order to be encyclopedic. Otherwise, you would be providing false visual information. You can't have images of the shining India in an encyclopedia, i.e. pictures taken out of the usual context in order to burnish the country's reality. I'm not saying that the first image is perfect. But the second clearly distorts the reality. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler (talk · contribs) This is what I mean by selective bias. Have you seen NYC article? Regarding its metro? There are tons of trash, rats and litter, but you see images of a well kept metro on the article. Which is correct? As, the focus is on the metro. And in cases, both Delhi metro or NYC metro both are well kept or not so in others. Why not put a picture of rats and trash in NYC metro? Riders of NYC metro see it everyday? You are just pushing your bias with Indian crowds, trash, etc. and forgetting, this is seen in any populated country. Regardless, if it is rich as USA or UK, or developing like India or Mexico. Rwanda is poor, but it’s Capital was the cleanest city I ever visited, but it is small nation with small population. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 17:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC))
Agreed. 1337 siddh (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
This very concern raised by Fowler is a clear reflection of his hidden bias and agenda. Pick up the ugliest image of a crowded Indian street and showcase it as some sort of poverty porn. The other picture (which was added after achieving Consensus on this talkpage) was taken at 9:02pm (as evident from the platform clock in the image) - which is an off-peak time is less crowded. It is perfect because the focus remains on the Metro, not on anything else. It is not "empty" as passengers are clearly visible in background. But yeah, some people air-brush images, some people air-brush facts. --King Zebu (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
+1 1337 siddh (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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