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Legality of waterboarding

Following the deletion by User:ScrapironIV of the sentence "After World War II, an "International Military Tribunal for the Far East" was set up to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps" because it allegedly dre a parallel between American misconduct and Japanese atrocities, I propose to replace it by "According to Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, "Waterboarding is broadly seen by legal experts around the world as torture, and it is universally prosecutable as a crime." which is cited in the Washington Post. This has the advantage of avoiding any mention of the Japanese, while still reporting the point of view that waterboarding is illegal. If no one objects, I will proceed to make the edit. Againstdisinformation (talk) 02:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You might wait to see if someone actually objects, if that is your stated intention. There is more than enough content from HRW, and their view has been given more than enough weight. The quote specifies "universally" which would indicate that there is no disagreement. There IS disagreement, and it is not universally prosecutable. The quote is inherently flawed. ScrpIronIV 20:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ScrapIronIV: Sorry I didn't see your objection, but you need not be so aggressive, you don't own Wikipedia. So, if you don't agree, let us calmly go to Dispute Resolution. Againstdisinformation (talk) 21:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You keep claiming that I am aggressive; I don't think you know what that word means. Personally, I find your pinnipedian tactics to be passive aggressive. So, we agree that neither of us is a perfect social animal. As for DRN, it is a bit premature. And no, I don't own Wikipedia. Netiher does Human Rights Watch. As I stated, the quote is inherently flawed, and more than enough weight has been given to HRW's opinion on the matter. Find a better quote from a different organization. ScrpIronIV
The fact remains, there is international consensus that waterboarding is torture. During the Bush administration, bureaucrats attempted to redefine torture to allow waterboarding, and historians have noted this disregard for the rule of law in reliable sources. There really needs to be zero equivocation on this point. Viriditas (talk) 22:11, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ScrapIronIV: I don't know exactly what you are trying to insinuate with your epithet "pinnipedian" but I have a misgiving that it is not very flattering. First you objected to any reference to the Japanese lest, God forbid, a parallel might be drawn with the US military. I obliged and let you erase the whole paragraph, even though the source was impeccable. Now you protest that undue weight is given to HRW. What will it be next? In fact, you seem hellbent on defending waterboarding. If this is the case, and not to sound "pinnipedian", I will tell you outright that I find this disgusting. Now, I am not going to look for other references just because you say so. Againstdisinformation (talk) 22:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Human Rights Watch is a fairly well respected organization, which, if anything, has been accused of a pro-Western, pro-capitalist bias. http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/14/the-bias-of-human-rights-watch/ But just as a reality check, Amnesty International also considers waterboarding to be torture https://www.amnestyusa.org/news/multimedia/waterboarding-is-torture . Can ScrapIronIV supply a ref of a human rights organization that says waterboarding is acceptable in some situations? Ghostofnemo (talk) 00:33, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"After World War II, an "International Military Tribunal for the Far East" was set up to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture certainly requires support because none were charged with torture, only mass murder. A reliable source is required to make the claim that torture was charged. Raggz (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Citations needed

The following paragraphs have no citations but make some serious accusations. You need to provide references about where you got all this information and from what source.

"Marijuana legalization and decriminalization is seen as a step of progress in decreasing the prison population. Other non-violent offenses which carry extremely long prison sentences in the United States include fraud and other acts of corruption, offenses relating to child pornography, and contempt of court.

The number of foreign nationals in US prisons has skyrocketed in recent decades. The US Justice Department rarely approves of foreign prisoners' extradition to their home countries, and most are deported after serving their sentences instead of before their trials. This is seen as a huge contributor to prison overcrowding, especially in California, Arizona, and Texas. It is estimated that illegal immigrants from Mexico make up 40% of the prison population in those 3 states. This goes hand-in-hand with the US immigration policies, which have also been criticized by human rights groups.

The United States has also been widely criticized for its attitude towards parole and incarceration alternatives. There is no parole in the federal prison system, which has drawn international outrage from human rights groups and is believed to be a major contributor to prison overcrowding. In addition, 16 states have no parole in their prison systems. Parole is rarely granted where it is allowed, and the USA is the only country that currently has juveniles serving life sentences without parole. The USA has also been heavily criticized for having few or no alternatives to incarceration. Probation, fines, and community service are extremely rarely issued instead of prison time. It is believed that money and profits are the main driving factors behind all this."[citation needed]................ No kidding.

In addition, you need to provide information about who does the criticizing regarding the United State's practices centered around parole and incarceration alternatives and why they criticize it. Is it The United Nations? Oxfam International? WHO?? You need to say which human rights groups are outraged and why. You need to list the 16 states that have no parole in their prison systems. That should be easy. I don't believe that the U.S. is the "only country" that currently has juveniles serving life sentences. It may be the only industrialized nation that does this but the only country?? You provide NO references for ANY of this so why should I believe it's true?

NONE OF THIS IS REFERENCED SO YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE MAKING IT ALL UP. IF WIKIPEDIA WANTS TO BE A CREDIBLE SOURCE OF INFO THEN ITS EDITORS NEED TO REFERENCE AND PROVIDE MORE IN DEPTH EXPLANATIONS ABOUT THE STATEMENTS THEY MAKE.

FOR EXAMPLE: making vague statements like, "This is seen as a huge contributor to prison overcrowding....." is lazy. FIND OUT WHO SEES IT THAT WAY. I really can't believe that editors let contributors get away with articles as poorly sourced like this one is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.90.39 (talk) 06:30, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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