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Kiriath-Arba

Joshua 14 says the original name of Hebron was Kiriath-Arba - before conquest by Joshua. It is not mentioned anywhere in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.22.165 (talk) 13:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's already mentioned under the History (Canaanite period) section.Davidbena (talk) 12:09, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Damascus

Icewhiz, you mind not making the lead of this article one more place you are fighting this fight? Where Damascus stands in a list of holy places for Muslims has zero relevance to this article, and putting it in the lead is asinine. nableezy - 04:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The lede of this article should not contain a falseshood - specifically we can not say that "Islam regards it as one of the four holy cities" - when multiple source claim otherwise. I am OK with "some Muslims" - however the Hebron specific refs need to be trimmed, and some refs for other sites should be added.Icewhiz (talk) 04:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, fine, I agree it should not contain as fact something that is disputed, but there is no need for bringing competing claims here, especially to the lead. nableezy - 04:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

due weight

Icewhiz, you duplicated nearly in its entirety one paragraph from a I think 29 paragraph article on a 100 page report and claim that it is the context for the report? I intend to correct that WP:DUE violation shortly. nableezy - 08:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also well done on the subtle POV changes from the source, changing Haaretz describing slapping a settler boy to a Jewish boy. nableezy - 08:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No - I summarized the paragraph as "which had been the focus of negative attention due to incidents in which its employees were filmed slapping a Jewish boy and puncturing the tires of a car belonging to a Jewish resident" - a clause in a sentence. Haaretz also mentions the controversial nature of TIPH in an additional paragraph. That this year old confidential report was leaked at the end of 2018 is also of some relevance. The source you are citing for this leaked report considered it due to mention the rather obviously relevant context of TIPH being embroiled in scandal. Icewhiz (talk) 08:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To mention sure, but not well poison as you did. I moved the criticism to where it is relevant. Embroiled in scandal is a bit hysterical. Theres nobody else here to impress, you can dial it down just a notch. I mean its up to you obviously. nableezy - 08:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The scant secondary coverage of this anonymous leak - [1] has - "Netanyahu has threatened to boot the group after incidents in which observers were seen fighting with settlers" in its 3 paragraph summary. One should question whether an anonymous leak is DUE at all - but if we are to include, the context of TIPH facing its mandate being terminated due to its observers fighting with settlers - is clearly required. Icewhiz (talk) 08:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, you question whether or not a report by the TIPH is DUE at all? A. That is not the context of the report. Please stop making things up. Per Haaretz: Late in 2017, TIPH produced one of the most significant pieces of work since its establishment: A report looking back on its 20 years of work, highlighting problems and patterns its members have identified. Im sorry this group produced a report saying Israel is a serial abuser of human rights. Like honestly, you have my sympathy in the matter. However, it has nothing to do with the right wing of the most right wing government in Israels history disliking the foreigners documenting those serial abuses of human rights in 2018. Because, as I think you know, 2017 is before 2018. What happened in 2018 by definition cannot be the context of what happened in 2017. Like your comment is the context of this one. This one cannot, by definition, be the context of your comment. I cant say you replied to my comment in your comment that preceded mine. You get it? Right? Oh shoot, I almost forgot B. That you are finding coverage of the coverage demonstrates that it is DUE weight to include. nableezy - 08:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Brief coverage in a media roundup. Haaretz is the primary source of the leak. The leak occurred in 2018 - so 2018 is relevant. Furthermore, the report was authored at the end of 2017, and one of the documented attacks by TIPH personnel on Jewish property was in July 2017 - this came to light later (and the person involved fled the country when it did[2]) - however it is quite possible that this person or the TIPH member who physically assaulted a Jewish boy ([3]) (TIPH being a 64 member force) were involved in writing the report. In any event - sources covering this anonymous leak (or a report intended to be private per TIPH's mandate) - see fit to mention this.Icewhiz (talk) 08:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The paragraph is not about the leak. Its about the report. See no reason to reply to any of the OR about OMG the settler boy who was slapped, well maybe the person who slapped that little settler was involved in writing this report, so (loses breathe) we have to (pants repeatedly) include some good old well poisoning to a report that has nothing to do with that. Again, I moved the material to where it is appropriate. nableezy - 15:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and also, isnt writing about a person "fleeing the country", "attacks on Jewish property", and "physically assaulted a Jewish boy", arent those violations of your expansive reading of WP:BLPCRIME, seeing as there is no conviction for any of these crimes? Or does that only apply to people who murder Palestinian children by lighting them on fire? nableezy - 15:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Swiss government (who sent this TIPH member) offered its official apology - "The TIPH observer was recalled by the Swiss government, Switzerland’s ambassador to Israel, Jean-Daniel Ruch, said in a letter of apology to the leaders of the Jewish community of Hebron."[4]. Icewhiz (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I dont see a conviction there, or any mention of any property crime conviction. nableezy - 17:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lie in first sentence of article.

There is no such thing as a "State of Palestine." All the sources are unreliable because they are Arab propaganda. Hebron is a Jewish city, not "Palestinian." The Pallys are illegal settlers and invaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldomenu (talk • contribs) 01:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2019

Jordanian rule ....Hebron notables, headed by mayor Muhamad 'Ali al-Ja'bari ( should read mayor, Sheikh Mohammad Ali Al-Ja'bari) Israeli occupation ....Sheik Farid Khader heads the Ja’bari tribe ( omit Sheikh [he isn't], should read 'a member of the Ja'bari tribe')He does NOT head the tribe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Hebron ( please correct titles) Sheikh Mohammad Ali Al-Ja'bari Sheikh Sulaiman Ja'bari 79.177.21.55 (talk) 07:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC) 79.177.21.55 (talk) 07:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Settler harassment" is not an "Israeli security measure"

The article states: "The Palestinian population in H2 has greatly declined due to the impact of Israeli security measures which include extended curfews, strict restrictions on movement,[206] the closure of Palestinian commercial activities near settler areas and settler harassment. [emphasis mine]"

While I accept, of course, that harassment of Palestinians by Israeli/Jewish settlers certainly exists, I don't think it should be included in a list of "Israeli security measures," because that wording can be construed to indicate that the harassment is officially sanctioned by the Israeli government, or that it is carried out as a "security measure" rather than as an act of aggression.

Parenthetically, I'm also wondering about the use of "due to" instead of "because of," the missing comma after "Israeli security measures" (the restrictive clause "which include..." should be set off by commas), and the missing Oxford comma after "...near settler areas." I know that per the Guidance on applying the Manual of Style, Wikipedia has no preference on the use of the Oxford comma except that its use or non-use be consistent, but the rest of the article has multiple Oxford commas (e.g., "Jews, Christians, and Muslims all venerate..."; "narrow, winding streets, flat-roofed stone houses, and old bazaars"; "Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai"; "tightened restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in H2, closed their vegetable and meat markets, and banned Palestinian cars on Al-Shuhada Street"; and more.

AviJacobson (talk) 00:50, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Right, the sentence is poorly organized. I'll try to fix it. Zerotalk 01:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Zero. There's now a missing "of" after "because." (Should be "The Palestinian population in H2 has greatly declined because the impact of....") Can you please fix this as well? --AviJacobson (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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