Talk:Stargate Project

CIA docs

The CIA docs were released through FOIA, and each document is labelled with the CREST ID number (CIA-RDP...) that uniquely identifies the document and allows for easy verification at the CIA's CREST database or through FOIA requests sent to CIA. This is more than sufficient provenance and verifiability. TheMikeBest (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002600360002-3.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00787R000400100014-4.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700330002-7.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R000800120005-6.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79-00999A000400050012-3.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79-00999A000200010092-4.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R002000160011-2.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R002000160011-2.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000300420006-3.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R002000160011-2.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00787R000500420001-2.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001000130001-7.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001100050001-5.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001100050001-5.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R001900810001-2.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R002000160012-1.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R003300210002-1.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R003300210002-1.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R000700690003-7.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001400080001-9.pdf
• https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001400090001-8.pdf

--172.94.112.132 (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Why "Stargate" instead of "Star Gate"?

The article is titled "Stargate Project". But the only sourced statement for the project's final name (in the 1990s section) says:

Its security was altered from Special Access Program (SAP) to Limited Dissemination (LIMDIS), and it was given its final name, STAR GATE.

If the reliable source for the project's name says it's called "STAR GATE", why is the article called "Stargate"?

I suspect there may actually be a good reason to name the article "Stargate" rather than "Star Gate". I'd assume "Stargate" has become a commonly-used name in the crackpot community (who probably got all their information from a combination of Ed Dames' appearances on Art Bell—which, being a radio show, didn't provide the spelling—plus their own imaginations and copying off each other), and that crackpot beliefs about "Stargate" are more notable than the actual series of DoD and CIA projects that includes "Star Gate". But, even if my guess is right, someone would have to find a reliable source saying that—or at least a reliable source referring to "Stargate" instead of "Star Gate". Failing that, the article should be renamed and rewritten to match what its sources say.

I won't change it, in hopes that someone who believes "Stargate" is the best name can find such a source.

But meanwhile, the first sentence refers to it as "StarGate", with a capital "G" but no space, a spelling never used again in the article. It seems a lot less likely that anyone can justify that, so I'll change that now. --50.0.128.21 (talk) 05:13, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Defamatory content

WP:LIBEL asserts: "It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that the material posted on Wikipedia is not defamatory". It seems to me that the statement her appointment to the review panel is puzzling; an evaluation is likely to be less than partial when an evaluator is not independent of the program under investigation is, in view of its implication that Utts is not an impartial investigator, clearly defamatory in nature, and the text needs to be removed. The fact that it is a verbatim quote makes no difference as far as the law is concerned, and the fact that WP is a very public space rather than a book makes matters worse. In this context, it needs to be borne in mind that Utts was the 111th president of the American Statistical Association, a clear indication of her perceived merit. Bring on the scissors! --Brian Josephson (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Brian, I cannot see anything wrong with that quote that wikipedians need to worry about. Lets see if others comment. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 17:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Fine, let's see what comes up. I might though add that from a professional perspective I don't find it puzzling that Utts was chosen. After all, one does want to appoint experts, and you would want to have someone expert in the subject, remote viewing, as well as in her professional specialisation that of statistics. I wonder if Marks was really puzzled or was he mainly interested in making a derogatory comment? --Brian Josephson (talk) 18:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
In fact, it is an illogical comment, because Hyman is equally biased in his beliefs but in the opposite direction. The people concerned simply chose people with opposite views to try to get a more complete picture. So there's an even stronger reason for removing the comment on partiality altogether as being completely illogical: we can just leave on one side the question of whether it is defamatory or not. --Brian Josephson (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

So, the sentence in question uses a quote from a book by David Marks where Marks is critiquing the selection of a panel member who, in his view, was not sufficiently impartial and objective: ..."the psychologist David Marks noted that as Utts had published papers with Edwin May "she was not independent of the research team. Her appointment to the review panel is puzzling; an evaluation is likely to be less than partial when an evaluator is not independent of the program under investigation." Wikipedia allows for properly attributed quotes from critics, per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

This is not the point at this stage in the discussion. The point now is that Hyman's writings demonstrate that he is not impartial, so if lack of impartiality is cause for not appointing someone he should not have been appointed either. It is a pretty poor reason for not appointing a person to evaluate a project that at some time in the past that person did joint work with someone on the project and it reflects badly on Marks that he should have written what he did, and as far as the article is concerned it should not be casting doubt on Utts evaluating the project while saying nothing about Hyman being known to have strong views. I somehow get the feeling that you are not au fait with this kind of situation, but do go ahead and prove me wrong if that is not the case. Are you an academic? --Brian Josephson (talk) 20:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)