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Adding references

{{help me}} I was going to edit incorrect information about Wichita Falls, Texas regarding the tornado of April 10, 1979. I have an appropriate source for the information, but when I went to add it to the references section I found simply "Reflist|2" in two sets of }'s and {'s. How, then do I add new references? I have looked at the help section, but am still stumped.

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You put references directly after the fact - in the body-text itself - in-between <ref> and </ref>. For example;

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

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{{help me}} I have found that a few articles about tornado outbreaks of recent years mistakenly link to the Wikipedia article on the original Fujita Scale in reference to the highest rated tornadoes instead of the Enhanced Fujita Scale. Does correcting this count as a minor edit? TornadoLGS (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No; if fixing those links, I wouldn't mark it as 'minor' - and make sure you explain what you do in the edit summary. I'd only mark something as a 'minor edit' if I was, e.g., fixing a comma or possibly fixing a coding issue. If in doubt, don't mark it minor. See Help:Minor edit.  Chzz  ►  15:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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General "2011 Super outbreak" wording consensus

I have found that the NWS in Huntsville put together a presentation and case study on that event specifically calling it the "2011 Super Outbreak". Here it is: http://www.hsvcity.com/cyber/DardenApril2011SuperOutbreak_Overview_CityMeeting.pdf

Anyway, I posted on the April 25-28 talk page several other reliable sources that refer to it as this. But if the NWS calls it that, I'd say it is justified for mention. Let me know what you think.

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Category 6 hurricane

There is an ongoing discussion at List of Category 6 Atlantic hurricanes as to whether this page should be kept or redirected to List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes. Your input on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. United States Man (talk) 04:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hackleburg tornado

You can go ahead and blend my sandbox into yours. I just copied from the outbreak page instead of doing it manually. And, I think a better title might be 2011 Hackleburg, Alabama - Huntland, Tennessee tornado because it gives a better indication of where it occurred. But either one is fine. United States Man (talk) 04:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I made a few changes (mostly wording and usage errors). It looks good for publishing now. United States Man (talk) 02:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work. Gald you thought of that article because I actually never even came close to thinking about it. United States Man (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File permission templates

I'm planning on using the radar image from this NWS report to put in an article I am working on improving. However, I'm not sure what template to apply as the two similar images here and here use different formats, so I am confused as to what format to use when I add the image. Does it count as coming from the Federal Government if it is a local office of the National Weather Service? TornadoLGS (talk) 15:11, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A specific tag for the NOAA exists: "PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA". As the NWS is a sub-agency of NOAA, i would suggest to use it here aswell (their website makes it quite clear, they are a NOAA sub-division). USGov works too, but is rather vague - a lot of specific sub-organizations have their own PD-tag. For a complete (maybe) list of US government-related tags see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Storm Brutus

Could you provide a link to these edits so I can explain them. I am not sure what you are talking about. United States Man (talk) 03:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've once again been engaged in war with gwickwire. Those edits were to readd an orphan tag and to add a nomination for deletion tag. You should stop by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winter Storm Brutus and offer your input. United States Man (talk) 03:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 1932 Deep South tornado outbreak

Thanks for the head's-up. I used UTC because it seemed to be the standard format for timestamps in other articles on tornado outbreaks. To be consistent, I used UTC to demarcate the dates as well. I am not sure whether there is a set standard as to whether to use local time or UTC to split apart dates. However, if there is none, then I would imagine that UTC would do just as well as local time, so long as consistency were maintained. But feel free to let me know whether I am wrong. Again, thanks! :) CapeVerdeWave (talk) 02:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt response. I will be sure to conform to the protocol in future edits. Regards, CapeVerdeWave (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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2011

Don't bother trying to get the Joplin tornado in the 2011 article. I tried to get Hurricane Irene in, but the RY nazis wouldn't have it. Hot Stop (Talk) 07:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re:St. Louis tornado

It looks good except for two things: 1) I don't think that nickname belongs in the lede because it isn't sourced and I am not not a fan of nicknames anyway. 2) I would get rid of the subsection header in the Meteorological synopsis section and just make it a single section. I see no reason for that subsection to be there.

Otherwise, it's okay. United States Man (talk) 20:16, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, nice job on the rest. United States Man (talk) 20:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2012 European tornadoes

If you have any spare time, could you please work on List of European tornadoes in 2012. Cyclonebiskit abandoned it and I am currently working on other things. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 19:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is the European Severe Weather Database. It is a bit more complex than NCDC but not too hard to figure out. Cyclonebiskit has finished everything through late June. I will try to help some with this as well. United States Man (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Any Tips?

I have been busy recently, so I did not have time to respond to your query; besides, even though I have been around for some time, I am not sure whether all editors consistently follow the severe-weather format for tornado-related articles. I suggest reading this for a good guideline. In many of my articles, I have tried increasingly to follow the format of the article on the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak, as it has been rated a good article and seems to be a standard-bearer for long articles (and a good tutorial for smaller ones, too). At any rate, you have made a good start on the article and the details look fine—I would suggest making the Sparta – Edgefield tornado header smaller, and instead placing a larger headline entitled "notable tornadoes" just above it. Then you can place all details for the most significant and/or deadly tornadoes under individual subsets. I would also add the state after the locations, and add a slash to make the whole thing read: Sparta, Georgia/Edgefield, South Carolina. As all these subsets would be under the main section for notable tornadoes, the word "tornado" would be unnecessary in the subsets. Again, these tips are just starters; feel free to use the sources that I suggested. Best of luck! CapeVerdeWave (talk) 21:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a few suggestions: 1) Change "List of tornadoes" to "Confirmed tornadoes." 2) Get rid of the notable tornadoes heading and leave the smaller heading for the "Sparta, Georgia/Edgefield, South Carolina" tornado to slide under the table. 3) No sense in having the Coordinates column in the table if there are no Coords. So it would be good to get rid of that too. United States Man (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About the May 24 tornadoes

The source was an email to severe wx editor here, so that may or may not work. You can view it on the talk page. The reason being behind why I feel strongly this is that I know that several meteorologist and severe WX experts have disagreed with the rating. There is no official documentation but it is common consensus among experts and enthusiasts that I have seen among forums. I can vouch and say I have done quite a bit of research over these two tornadoes, and after sifting through tons of pics and discussion with experts, I KNOW that these were. I am quite knowledgeable down to detail about how the EF scale is used, and I know that it was misused in this case and I want some kind of permanent online documentation of the controversy surrounding the ratings. I know it is hard to take my word for it, but you will be hard pressed to find anyone who edits here that is quite as knowledgeable about the EF scale than myself. And lets be logical here, the NCDC write-up is absurd, with 1 mile per hour away from an EF5 listed. Large and well built homes were swept cleanly away, vehicles were hurled and smashed to pieces, ground was deeply scoured along with pavement. This is as clear of an indication as you will get for an EF5. We need to figure out something at least for documentation purposes. Sharkguy05 (talk) 05:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)Sharkguy05[reply]

Hattiesburg tornado article

Hello, I just created the 2013 Hattiesburg, Mississippi tornado article and the infobox needs a picture. Since I have absolutely no clue how to upload any pictures so I was hoping that you may be able to put one up for me. The one I had in mind is located here (It is the first picture under the heading "Radar Imagery"). But, if you could dig up a good damage photo or a picture of the tornado that would be good as well (Maybe one for the infobox and two in the "Meteorological synopsis" section.) Also, if you have any suggestions on how to improve the article I would appreciate those as well. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 04:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. United States Man (talk) 12:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is hard to choose between pictures 2, 3, and 5. I know picture 2 for sure. I can't choose between 3 and 5, so I will let you pick. United States Man (talk) 03:47, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Would like an opinion

Go ahead, it seems that it was probably part of the same outbreak. And if Grazulis has it listed, it is reliable enough to be included. United States Man (talk) 01:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for Copy Edit and move

Hi, thanks for copy editing and move of 2013 Brahmanbaria, Bangladesh tornado. --FreemesM (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand from your user name.--FreemesM (talk) 04:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind adding some pictures to the sections entitled "Smithville, Mississippi", "Cordova/Blountsville, Alabama", and "Raleigh, Mississippi/Uniontown, Alabama". As I have told you before, I am not good with that. I don't care which ones you pick, but one per section should do. Thanks, United States Man (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

F4 Tornado

I am very sorry for posting on your user page. That was a total accident, I just assumed I was on your talk page. Also, I assume you know more than me about the F4 tornado in Oklahoma than I do, so I'm going to guess that you're right. Spindocter123 (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's currently a discussion about the format of the tornado tables ongoing at Talk:May 18–21, 2013 tornado outbreak#Changing tornado table format. Your thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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It may just be me, but do you think this version of List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes "jives" exactly with what this source says? United States Man (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks for telling me that about the (INFLATION ADJUSTED COST) but....

theres still one weird problem and its about Wichita Falls TX actual cost... why is it lower then what it says in wiki? they never said that the (ACTUAL) is a error tought... also can you fix the Hackleburg AL adjusted cost its not right, that's all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

so do we put the cost to 277 or keep it to 400 for the Wichita falls tx tornado that's the only thing I need to know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
ok now for the last thing is that Oklahoma City Metro tornado count is 1400 but needs to be 1401 , Tuscaloosa tornado is 2542 but needs to be 2543 and the Joplin tornado that's 2906 needs to be 2907 then evrething will be fix perfectly, not sure why it makes it go down by one number for... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
em... the last update you did for the top 10 costliest tornado says (update inflation-adjusted death toll) when its costliest and not deadliest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.207.158 (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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May 27, 1997 multi vortex Tornado.

the jarrell tornado in its multi vortex stage[1] or alot of people call it the dead man walking? in one of the books i have its used as a example for a multi vortex tornado.Joshoctober16 (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Non-tornadic fatalities - consistency?

Hey there - I noticed your recent change to List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks, where you said the list "didn't include non-tornadic fatalities." When I first added that entry to the table, I wasn't sure whether to include the fatalities or not. I can't say I disagree with your edit - but I have to say that I wonder about the consistency? In Tornado outbreak of April 17-19, 2019, the infobox shows "Fatalities: 4 non-tornadic." With that article being titled "tornado outbreak," would it be equally inappropriate to list non-tornadic fatalities in that infobox? What are your thoughts? Sleddog116 (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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An article you recently created, List of United States tornadoes in May 2019, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:37, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible creation of "Tornado outbreak of May 30-June 1, 1999"

On the article Tornadoes of 1999, there's a small subheader labeled "May 30-June 1" however with no details other than a small tornado table. From what I was able to gather, this outbreak produced a total of 59 tornadoes and resulted in three tornadic fatalities. What's even more notable about this particular outbreak, however, is the FAA citing the severe weather as a contributing factor for the crash of American Airlines Flight 1420, which killed an additional eleven people.

Even when taking Flight 1420 out of the equation, I still feel this event meets the notability criteria for articles on WikiProject Severe Weather. It was an outbreak that produced 25 or more tornadoes and resulted in three tornadic deaths. I'm obviously not an expert however, and I know you've been around here for much longer than I have so I'd like to hear your input. Would it be worth it to create this article? Thanks, TheRMSTitanic (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TheRMSTitanic One thing I'd think is worth checking is if everything was from the same system. Just looking at the maps of the Tornado History project, I'm not sure if it was all one system, particularly with the tornadoes on May 30. Otherwise, I have no objections as long as there is enough information. I don't have much time to work on it myself right now. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From what I was able to find, all 31 tornadoes spawned on June 1 were part of the same storm system. As for May 30 and 31, I can't be 100% sure. The two F0 tornadoes in Florida on May 30 were simply waterspouts that tracked inland briefly, and were unrelated to the outbreak. A waterspout that tracked inland in Alabama on May 31 was also unrelated. Two F0 tornadoes in southern Louisiana and Mississippi may have been unrelated as well, but like I said, have no way to confirm this. An F2 tornado in Michigan I believe was also isolated. This would bring the total number of tornadoes down to 59 (which I have no idea where that number came from in the first place, a source would be nice.) Since all of the fatalities and most of the strong tornadoes occurred on June 1 anyway, would it make more sense to just make the page about the events on June 1? TheRMSTitanic (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]