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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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The primary dispute has been whether the article should be moved to Petrol. Many arguments were presented for both sides, but after all else failed, consensus was to keep the original editor's title, as per the relevant style guideline:

"If an article has evolved using predominantly one [national variety of English], the whole article should conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. In the early stages of writing an article, the variety chosen by the first major contributor to the article should be used."

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Move: "Gasoline" → "Petrol", 2005: Opposed. (Discussion archive [covers the entire page])
Move: "Gasoline" → "Petroleum-based fuel", 2007: Opposed. (Discussion archive)

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Edit conflict: Environmental effects of gasoline

So I read a part of this article and realized it had some presuppositions and had some text was very opinionated toward gasoline being destructive to the global environment. This particular sentence pretty much sums it up:

"Gasoline used in internal combustion engines has a significant effect on the environment, both in local effects (e.g., smog) and in global effects (e.g., effect on the climate)"

What is even more disturbing is the fact that they used a strong term "significant" which lacked clarification. Seeing that such views were a matter of controversy, I had decided to lessen this article's polarization by changing that sentence into something more or less like this:

"Although gasoline used in internal combustion engines can have significant effects on the local environment(e.g, smog), significant global effects(e.g, climate change), are speculated."

And significant global effects are speculated.

Four or five times, somebody would revert the article and then I would change it again. Finally, someone else somehow managed to force his opinion, and now whenever I try to edit, I get a page that says the page needs to have a "neutral point of view." But the original page was anything but neutral. It had unverifiable facts and no significant data to support them. I will not agree with you that my text was biased, but the least we can do to help Wikipedia and its reputation is reach some sort of a compromise. Perhaps this is neutral enough for Wikipedia:

"Gasoline used in internal combustion engines can have significant effects on the local environment(e.g, smog), and significant global effects(e.g, climate change), are speculated." ReeceTheBeast15 (talk) 01:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not speculated. See Global warming#Greenhouse gases. HiLo48 (talk) 06:17, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the green house effect and global warming are both very real, but gasoline's contribution to them might only be negligible. Thus saying specifically that gasoline's global effects are significant is by no means a neutral point of view. Yes, minor global effects are not speculated. But significant global effects are. There really isn't enough data for either side to prove themselves, so all we can really do is look at the cold facts regarding what is actually happening. This could just be a normal temperature oscillation produced from a healthy natural balance. So maybe it would be all right to say "gasoline used in internal combustion engines can have significant local effects, and is a major contributor to global CO2 emissions." Because it is said constitute around 20%-50% of yearly human emissions.

If, by a natural mechanism, the stark population growth rate differences of CO2 producers and consumers can be compensated for, then the same could just as easily be done for nonliving CO2 producers. So really, this biased statement in this article is just another reason people are questioning Wikipedia's authenticity. ReeceTheBeast15 (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"There really isn't enough data..." Yes there is, and I really can't be bothered with you any more. This science is settled. It was settled for me 40 years ago. HiLo48 (talk) 09:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Better Opening Picture?

The article is about the substance of gasoline, as we all know. This is more of a nitpick than anything, but could somebody find a better picture to reflect such? A picture of a tank of gasoline, the molecule of gasoline, or an infobox on the topic would work more wonders than just a Shell gas station, which is currently the preview picture for the article. It isn't too big of a deal, which is why I'm not looking for one desperately, and I'm not saying that a gas station picture isn't warranted. Just... it should probably go later in the article if it will be present. There are better images to use as a lead off than the place that sells the topic of the article. UtopianPoyzin (talk) 03:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We can't do the molecule because it does not exist, gasoline is a blend of many molecules. Toasted Meter (talk) 03:07, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, not sure where I was going with that example. Still though, a tank of gasoline would do nicely.UtopianPoyzin (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]