Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krupabhishekam Convention

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Based on the discussion here, it seems like the consensus leans in favour of deletion on the grounds that while references have been provided, they do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Krupabhishekam Convention

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This page was created as a supporting article for the now deleted Fr Dominic Valanmanal page, The organization doesn't pass WP:ORGCRITE, and there are claims in the article(lakhs of participants in conventions) that aren't backed by the cited sources Daiyusha (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Daiyusha (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:11, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This organization is notable. Proof: link 1, link 2, link 3, and link 4.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These four refs are not suitable as GNG for this subject; at least 3 of the 4 are not even RS, and where they mention the Church, it is in passing:

link 1, is a small local blog page and definately not WP:RS.

link 2, is a local blog page and definately not WP:RS; it does not mention the Church, and if you translate this link and read the short material about the "miracle" it is completely bogus.

link 3, is on "Charismatic Catholics" worldwide; it happens to mention the deleted Fr Dominic Valanmanal, but in passing as an example.

link 4, is just a WP:PRIMARY reference of message-board from the Catholic organisation to which this Church is part of; not a suitable RS for GNG.

The rest of the references in this article are PRIMARY (e.g. from the organisation that this Church belongs); there is no secondary independent RS on it. Britishfinance (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- I am not clear whether this is a local church or a one-man ministry. In either case, it is probably NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as does have coverage in newspaper sources as shown above and it is an international organisation holding conferences/services in Mexico, Australia, Norway etc, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE - Looking through the citations and the links provided above, I don't see significant coverage WP:SIGCOV. Much of it takes the form of, 'Conducting a bible convention in this location' which, as I understand it, is stock-in-trade, so to speak (and is the stated purpose of the organisation) and non-notable. Google searches provided numerous video links but no independent coverage really at all. Google news provides zero results. The page here is promotional in nature WP:PROMO as are the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mothman (talk • contribs) 23:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Having read the four references above, they are either non-RS or don't mention this church (which is the topic of the article). I can't see a case that this church meets WP:GNG (there is nothing approaching any kind of WP:SIGCOV). I am always wary of situations where a subject's WP article is really the main source of their GNG and notability; clearly, the table in the article shows that it is already being used as a bulletin-board/promotional events guide for this church. Not happy with WP being used for PROMO. Britishfinance (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This article includes the sentance Miracles are reported by many believers who attend these conventions. This is not suitable material for WP and is clearly somone trying to use WP to give credibility and promote a non-notable religious entity, whose sole leader Fr Dominic Valanmanal, had his BLP AfD'ed. Britishfinance (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.