Talk:School bus

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stupid children?

"children, especially the younger ones, are stupid..." While this may be true, the way it is phrased is less that the NPOV which one would expect from an encyclopedia... I think this should be changed. What do other people thing? Duomillia 19:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

first, some children are "stupid", as are some adults. However, that is not the reason for extra care in crossing for children. The article has been edited to reflect the scientific fact of the issue, which is that children, "especially the younger ones, do not have brains developed sufficiently to fully embrace the danger and consequences of crossing safety without adult supervision. Under U.S. tort laws, a child cannot legally be held accountable for negligence for this reason. For that same reason, adult crossing guards often are deployed in walking zones between homes and schools."

It would probably be better to say that children, especially the younger ones, are not yet mature.--Jusjih 15:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, I think simply indicating lack of maturity is too broad. The more lengthy explanation is very meaningful to understanding why extra protection is prudent. Vaoverland 22:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone having any ideas about the Canadian tort laws?--Jusjih 13:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of school bus

In the U.S., the normal and preferred spelling of the vehicle is "school bus", two words, no hyphen, (not a school-bus). The NTSB and some legal authorities in the U.S. use the single word "schoolbus." Vaoverland 10:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup notice

This article desperately needs a cleanup: there is sloppy prose, poor image placement, retardedly long section headings, and other crap that needs fixing. Please somebody rescue this article! ALKIVAR™ 01:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The situation has resulted from many editors from many countries. Take a look at the article history. Vaoverland 02:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt surprise me, but it is still quite in need of a cleanup :) Hell a good look by 1 user familiar with all the rules of grammar would be a good first step. ALKIVAR™

03:19, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I will chip away at parts of it, but I'm working on other things. The debate about school bus stopping laws is especially messy and full of POV crap. Vaoverland 04:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the lengthy content about school bus stop laws around the world to a new article school bus traffic stop laws. I also tried to condense some of the longer section headings. Its a start. Vaoverland 05:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like this article still needs cleaning up. I decided that before I looked here in the talk page. The major issue is that the entire article describes school buses and policies issues relating to them from a North American perspective, with no information at all from elsewhere. It's also very long-winded (over suggested article size) and rambling, and has about 20 times as many external links than it should. -dmmaus 00:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move most content to a separate article

The content on this page is not particularly problematic but for the fact that it mostly just describes the situation in North America.

I would suggest that either most of the article is moved to a separate article detailing the North American or US situation (leaving just an introduction or whatever general content is in the article) or else move this entire article to a new title - School buses in North America (or US).

This would leave a woefully short article at this location, but would allow for easier expansion of the general article rather than the American specifics.

FWIW - the situation in Ireland is that school bus services are provided by Bus Éireann, the state bus operator. Usually old buses (in some cases around 20 years old) are used, also some services are contracted out to private bus/coach operators. Vehicles are a mix of old coaches (intercity/regional) and buses (city buses). In recent years there has been some concern over current practice, with a number of fatalities arising from the use of old buses, and the safety standards (3 kids in two seats, no seatbelts). Also in recent months there have been several incidents of old coaches catching fire (no fatalities in these recent incidents). Ordinary bus services (city and regional, and services by Dublin Bus) are also used by school children.

zoney ♣ talk 15:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

I noticed that there were lines about how children can be run over while ON the school bus, and that running toward a moving school bus is imperative. Obvious vandalism (which I reverted) but I'll try to keep an eye on future attempts.

Begreen 00:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone put in that section again. Someone else. Using the edit history, I found out that 72.145.115.221 originally put in the section about how children can be run over while on the bus etc.

I'll look into who re-did it. Samurai 004 09:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]