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The result was delete. Clear consensus that this subject lacks the necessary coverage in RS to be regarded as notable. Just Chilling (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Subdivided interval categories

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First, I can't seem to find anyone actually using the name "subdivided interval category". The one source listed here (Mac Lane) certainly doesn't call them by a name like this. In fact, when considering the category of these, he mostly considers them as finite ordinal numbers, making a single offhand comment that they can also be given as categories considered as ordered sets.

There's really no need to have a standalone article for this. At best, this is really just a fork of Simplex category, which treats the category of these as a whole, and is the standard name. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 20:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. I could find no sourcing for the term at all, so this seems a neologism unique to Wikipedia. Without any refs, even a redirect is ill-advised. Hence, delete. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 17:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all the above. XOR'easter (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks reliable sourcing to demonstrate notability, offered or to be found. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. It is not notable really.Forest90 (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There is not a single independent reliable source with significant coverage presented, nor here nor in the article itself. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Malik Ofori

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Subject fails WP:GNG, WP:FILMMAKER and WP:RS. There's a whole lot of claim of notability but no reliable sources to back it up. Sources are from blog post and social media handles. Twitter and YouTube are not considered as reliable references.

At this point only violates WP:PROMO Lapablo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Malik Ofori's article is not vandalism, SPAM, or an attack page, It is a page for notable Ghanaian Filmmaker. I don't think it fails WP:GNG, WP:FILMMAKER and WP:RS as most of the references are from popular entertainment source in Ghana and Africa. I vote Keep because deserves to be on Wikipedia and it doesn't go against Wikipedia policies. I think with time there will be more improvement on this article with more citation etc. Ball J 11:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balljgh (talk • contribs)

Comment: If you are indeed Ball J, then you are the head of the record label that Mr. Ofori is signed to, and consequently you have a conflict of interest. Richard3120 (talk) 14:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: First of all I have not stated that I myself am Ball J. Secondly, anyone can give their opinion here on whether the article in question should be kept or not which i think should be speedy kept. You stating I have WP:COI is Wikipedia:Harassment. How can I have a WP:COI when even I wasn't the one who created the page in question. I created my talk back in 2015 when I wanted to know more about wikipedia and choose to write an article about Ball J so I created this my current page with a view description about him thinking at first that was how to create a wikipedia page for an article.Ball J

You say you're not Ball J, yet you sign your comments "Ball J"... If you are not Ball J and don't want to be mistaken for him, perhaps it would be a good idea not to use his name, no And there is no harassment at all, I said that if you were him, you would have a COI. Richard3120 (talk) 11:55, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can't Ball J be my name too. Hence I sign my comments Ball J not Ball J and just by placing 4 of ~ at the end, Wikipedia does the rest.Ball J 18:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

You can, but it's going to make people think you are the same person, isn't it? Richard3120 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this was why I added gh to the name. Honestly at the beginning as I explained before I thought that was how a wikipedia page was created through the user page. I tried to change my user name but found out it can't be done. Forgive me if I caused any misunderstanding Ball J 23:27, 18 July 2019

Yes, it can be done – see WP:RENAME. Richard3120 (talk) 23:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please also note that User:Balljgh created a page for himself in 2015 here so there's a whole COI going on here. Lapablo (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I created a page for myself. Bro get your facts right!!! Ball J 18:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

That's exactly what Lapablo said... and I notice that by sheer coincidence that other major contributor to that page apart from yourself is Malikofori... Richard3120 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If I am getting what you're saying right you are saying I'm now not the Ball J you people are claiming but now I'm Malikofori? Ball J 23:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

No, Lapablo said that you created a page for yourself (assuming you were Ball J), and you also said you created a page for yourself, there's no difference in what you both said. As for Malik Ofori, it's strange that the subject of this AfD should also have edited the page you created for Ball J. But I don't believe you are the same person. Richard3120 (talk) 23:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you misunderstood me I never confirmed all those claims but its all good. Ball J 23:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balljgh (talk • contribs)

Keep, Very notable. He is a songwriter and a filmmaker at Nu Afrika Records, for which he has directed a lot of music videos for most celebrities in Ghana. He is also the CEO of his film company in Ghana called MO Films. Xzodoscript (talk) 13:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC) — Xzodoscript (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep, Speedy Kept. He is a young African filmmaker with a lot of experience in music as well and music video production. Currently signed at one of Ghana‘s leading record labels Nu Afrika Records. He is also a songwriter and has written songs for Ball J, Kwaw Kese produced movies etc. I think we should all help in improving Wikipedia pages rather than submitting them for deletion. This article should be speedy kept. Thanks Westhunder (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) — Westhunder (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep - I would really appreciate if you could take your time to read the entire article and check references provided. Malik Ofori's article does not violate WP:PROMO as stated above, the article wasn't intended to promote him but to state facts about him online. If you feel there are places which violates WP:PROMO, your help in correcting tis is welcomed. Malik is a well known young filmmaker, songwriter and a YouTuber in Ghana, Africa and a big influencer too even has a verified on Twitter. This is my first artcle on Wikipedia and I hope to improve as time goes on but I will really appreciate if you can help improve the article if yu should have any problem with it than wanting it deleted. There are a lot of proof even when you google his name. I think there is still room for improvement on this article as I myself intend to improve this article by adding more references to it as time goes on.

In creating the page, great care was taken to ensure that the content thereof was non-promotional WP:PROMO and written in a factual, objective manner and tied to independent, third-party news citations. Other than citing his social media accounts like his verified Twitter account to verify WP:GNG, all content was backed by numerous independent, third-party, objective news sources in Ghana. As far as possible, the page's content complied with Wikipedia's rules and guidelines for use, notability criteria and objectivity parameters.Kofipedia (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Kofipedia (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Comment: Wanted to point out that I opened an SPI for the authors of the above few Keep votes at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Balljgh based on their tendency to show up together in AfDs. creffett (talk) 01:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I was thinking myself that there is some obvious WP:CANVAS going on, if not outright sockpuppetry. ShelbyMarion (talk) 12:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Clear consensus that this object fails WP:NASTRO. Just Chilling (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HD 95872

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Fails WP:NASTRO, and specifcally WP:NASTCRIT. No papers specifically concerning this object, although the discovery paper for its planet was about a small number of objects. A small number of other publications discuss the star or planet as one of many objects in a list or database. Appearances in books or popular web coverage: zero. Appears in several exoplanet databases and the obvious stellar databases. Not naked eye, not discovered before 1850, and not listed in a catalogue of high historical importance. The article creator is indefinitely blocked, although apparently nothing to do with their work on astronomy articles. Lithopsian (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. There are only two sources that I found ([1] and arXiv:1512.02965), but they are insufficient to satisfy WP:NASTRO as they are trivial, database, or passing mentions only. I also could not find anything describing the planet in detail. Hence, not notable. ComplexRational (talk) 00:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Unlikely to be useful for readers. Wug·a·po·des 19:29, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong | comment _ 01:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Insyde

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Being streamed however many times does not qualify for the charting, certification, and airplay requirements at WP:NSINGER #2, 3, 11, 12. A WP:BEFORE search reveals no significant coverage in reliable sources to confirm any of the other criteria at WP:NSINGER. All that can be found are routine retail and streaming directories, plus an empty placeholder at AllMusic. Article is probably an attempted promotion and, charitably, it is too soon for this rapper to merit a Wikipedia article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - searches did not turn up the type of in-depth coverage necessary to meet WP:GNG, and as the nom states, nothing to meet WP:NSINGER.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -In the "Delete" vote above the editor claims that this artist does not meet the WP:NSINGER requirements, but he has released 2 albums on AWAL, fulfilling requirement #5.^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] I also edited the article for the original author to remove any "self promotion" style writing and to make it have a more neutral tone.___GingeBro (talk • contribs)

Keep - when searching "Insyde Music" on Google: [2] EVERY result is referring to this Insyde. Also, I was able to find some blog coverage of his song. [3] and also another wiki entry: [4] and [5]. Also found a website mentioning him here: [6] His music is also released by the label (Shoelace Records) that released music for Otis Taylor (musician) Also his youtube channel is a Verified Artist Channel, which is only given to artists on large labels with contacts at YouTube, and it means that YouTube deemed there enough coverage and the chance of impersonation of this artist to give it the verified Artist mark. Also is mentioned in the independent music tracking website MusicBrainz (Often used by Wikipedia to gather data for songs and artists) [7]. Plenty of mentions and credibility found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.30.174 (talk • contribs)

References

^ "Distro Deal". Insyde Blog. Retrieved 16 July 2019.
^ "Album Released!". Retrieved 16 July 2019.
^ "New Album out now! – Insyde". Retrieved 16 July 2019.
^ "Albums removed. – Insyde". Retrieved 16 July 2019.

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Comment - In the above "keep" vote, the other Wikis are copies of THIS version of Wikipedia and prove nothing but website mirroring. The Google search performed by that voter reveals a list of streaming, retail, and lyrics sites that you would get after searching for any musician. All other "sources" given in that vote merely indicate that the rapper exists, not that he has received reliable coverage. See the guidelines given in the original nomination, plus WP:EXIST and WP:ROUTINE. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - He does have a point about the youtube artist channel though. Those are pretty exclusive.---GingeBro 15:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep - I did a little research and found out that he is signed with AWAL, which has an established roster with many independently notable artists, and is owned by Kobalt Music Group, a media company that works with many artists with top 100 hits. This makes him qualified under #5 of WP:NSINGER MultiMrWeb (talk) 19:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Incubate - The musician does qualify by WP:NSINGER standards, but doesn't have many strong references from reliable sources. If not kept, then I request it to be moved to the Draft space for further improvements. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 18:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since the SPI does not look like it will be timely resolved, This is a second !keep vote from the above ip 71..., made here [8], "The musician does qualify by WP:NSINGER standards, but doesn't have many strong references from reliable sources. If not kept, then I request it to be moved to the Draft space for further improvements." They quickly remove it [9]. 7 Minutes later GingeBro restores it [10], "The musician does qualify by WP:NSINGER standards, but doesn't have many strong references from reliable sources. If not kept, then I request it to be moved to the Draft space for further improvements." This is a duplicate !vote fro a meat or sockpuppet. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to log in, that's why I reverted the changes, I wanted to make sure everyone was clear who was making the edit. Not a sockpuppet, simply forgetting to log in. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 20:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/Vote Change - I changed my stance to Keep from Weak Keep because the artist does pass notability standard for musicians as per WP:NSINGER. (Irrelevant bit of information: Also about a month ago I heard his song on a major Spotify editorial playlist. Another irrelevant note, the lyrics have been viewed a lot on Genius, which says something to me at least. He seems to have an engaged follower base, unlike the typical garage band wikipedia pages. That's my 2 cents.) --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 03:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The first keep !vote basically sums up this articles problems. The WP:GHITS claim is not true. IP found blogs, wikis. Not reliable sources. The site mentioning him is a PR listing. Claim about verified is not true, youtube did not evaluate "coverage". Musicbrainz is just a listing. Mentions are not indepth coverage. On the later claim of AWAL, they are distributors, not the releasing record co. Nothing good for GNG or MUSIC. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Duffbeerforme: I agree there is no notable coverage about this artist. However, AWAL is not just a distributor, they are considered a full fledged label. They have a marketing department, sync department, and they bought a prominent radio station music pitching company. Distribution companies do not have all those things. So as I see it, the artist does fall under WP:NSINGER. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 15:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's pretend for a moment that Insyde lied when he said he'd signed a distribution deal. What two albums are you talking about? Reading the article I see a total of zero. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Duffbeerforme: - That is a possiblity. We would have to find a way to verify if he is actually signed to AWAL as he claims. (Are we allowed to try to contact AWAL and/or the artist for verification?) Currently on Spotify I only see one item listed as an album.[11] Depending on how we interpret #5 WP:MUSICBIO, this artist may not pass. If we are interpreting it on a basis of "has released" or a basis of "has (possibly) released, but taken down". I don't really know what the policy is in this case, if you can point me to any answers similar to this and the outcome, I may have to amend my vote as needed. Also another thing to point out, in researching the artist, I found out that he is about to release more music on August 2, which is coming up fast, which would add the second 'album' entry on Spotify. I am not sure how strict we have been on that in the past as well. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 20:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm the nominator and I'm trying not to bludgeon this debate any further, but I hope admins will avoid a simple vote count and look closely at the reasoning behind the various "keep" votes above. The reasoning is faulty, to put it charitably. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am genuinely interested in learning the reasoning behind your opinion. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 21:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Based on dearth of RS coverages/recognition and the fallacy of the rationales provided by editors voting keep. For a subject to pop up in a google search means little towards notability if all they are are for wiki mirrors, retail and download sites, which is the case here. A verified YouTube channel is not (according to one editor) ”only given to artists on large labels with contacts at YouTube, and it means that YouTube deemed there enough coverage and the chance of impersonation of this artist to give it the verified Artist mark proof”. It is, in fact available to anyone who simply applies. See [12].

As for AWAL, a simple investigation of their site reveals It is not a “label” at all, but rather a multi-tiered service for do-it-yourself artists and independent labels to build success. In structure it is not unlike those quasi-vanity publishing houses offered to authors to get published, providing distribution and marketing services, etc. on multi-tier levels where the creator retains the rights/liabilities, and the service gets a piece of the action (i.e. their “fee”) based proportional on the level of service. See: [13]. As you can see from that link, to be with AWAL simply means all an artist needs to do is pass their submission criteria (in other words, be weeded out from the amateurs by having merit that could lead to genuine success.) To be clear, an Artist or label that has a deal with AWAL can be notable for other reasons, but in and by itself, being with AWAL doesn’t meet WP:MUSICIAN criteria for a being signed to a notable label. The wording “signed a deal with AWAL” is nothing more than WP:PUFFERY.

Bottom line: all that’s left is the argument being made for keep is based on WP:EXISTS, with no evidence of significant, independent recognition. At best, WP:TOOSOON ShelbyMarion (talk) 13:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I have to point out is that the YouTube answers link you put up there is for "Verification" which is only available to channels with over 100,000 subscribers. The link is NOT for "Official Artist Channel" applications see [14]. Those are two VERY different things.

AWAL would fit under this definition of a Record Label . Having experience in the music industry, what you described is literally how record labels work. Record labels place their artists on tiers based on projected success. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 19:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I would also like to point out that this page has been viewed over a thousand times since the article was updated to include the bio of this artist (a 2 week period). Clearly people are searching for this article, and visiting it.

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The result was keep. Very clear consensus that these rulers should be considered to be notable. Just Chilling (talk) 22:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Isenburg-Kempenich

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A Google search doesn't turn up any decent sources for this article, which is wholly unreferenced. (There are also no interlanguage links and I find no mention of it on the German Wikipedia, with the full disclaimer that my German is a bit rusty.) I'm also including all of the Lords of Isenburg-Kempenich in my nomination, and will bundle them shortly. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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EDIT:Bundling all the rulers:

You need a search engine that speaks blackletter.
- Stammtafel der Herren von Isenburg-Kempenich at the Internet Archive
- Rosemann von Isenburg-Kempenich at the Internet Archive
I shall call for some help for you. Uncle G (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant German Wikipedia article is at de:Kempenich (Adelsgeschlecht). Uncle G's sources certainly confirm the existence of these people. Merging them all together might be better than individual articles given the state of the sourcing, though. —Kusma (t·c) 20:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My Google finds sources too. And besides de:Kempenich (Adelsgeschlecht), there's de:Isenburg (Adelsgeschlecht). How complicated this stuff gets is evidences in the German Kempenich article, and note that all the links in the German article are blue: "Die Herren von Kempenich waren mit folgenden Adelsfamilien verwandt bzw. verschwägert: Bedburg, Blankenheim, Büdingen, Bürresheim, Dehrn, Dorndorf, Eschweiler, Hattstein, Hüchelhoven, Isenburg, Merenberg, Myllendonk, Müllenark, Neuenahr, Pyrmont, Reifenberg, Reifferscheidt, Rolmann von Sinzig, Rosenau, Sayn, Schonenberg, Schöneck, Solms, Spanheim/Sponheim, Virneburg, Boos von Waldeck, Wied". Drmies (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Minor principalities in Germany were at least quasi-sovereign states. They should certainly have articles. Whether each ruler should have one will depend on whether there is enough content. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The nominator's problem is verifiability. This does not really assist on that score. Uncle G (talk) 18:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Isenburg-Kempenich, unbundle bios (require individual consideration - some are probably notable - there are issues with the names for searching - they need individual consideration). I'm not sure this was an independent state of the Holy Roman Empire. However, the noble line does have a dewiki page (which I interlinked) - and they controlled this castle (and not insignificant territory around it) - a branch of this noble family. A google book search shows quite a few hits for "Isenburg-Kempenich".Icewhiz (talk) 08:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but I wonder if the page is mis-titled. There is no Isenburg-Kempenich in the Historisches Lexikon der Deutschen Länder. Kempenich does not even have its own entry, but it is mentioned as a lordship. Srnec (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree that sourcing is a problem, but the various articles in the German Wikipedia and Google show that the main topic and the various names are (well, were) real, and in principal they are notable. There definitely are sources (books), but they are in German and it needs a lot of time and experts in the field to study them and add them as inline references to the various articles. If the bio articles can't be kept, I would suggest to merge them all into the main topic with redirects to give future authors at least a starting point, however, given the complicated structure of interconnections it seems to be more desirable to preserve the "network" already existing and therefore keep them all in separate articles.

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Keep per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. It seems like most keep arguments are based on mere assertions, pageviews and things like "long history", none of which are adequate reasons to keep an article. Only the delete arguments have made somewhat detailed claims about whether the topic meets inclusion criteria or not, including source searches and analyses of the works the subject starred in. All these are sound arguments to raise in discussions about WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR and thus they carry the day here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Evans (actor)

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Evans was a character actor and a bit part player. This is not the stuff of significant roles. Beyond that we lacks any reliable indepth source giving coverage of him. Wikipedia is not meant to be a mirror of IMDb, but that is what this article basically functions as. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. Original author here. Kill it. --Lockley (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, based on a change of mind. --Lockley (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Evans gets good coverage at www.tvguide.com, he has a long history in Hollywood and needs to be found on wikipedia. The page is averaging 12 hits a day, good enough to keep. Carptrash (talk) 01:58, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that, per policy, the number of hits a Wikipedia article is getting is entirely irrelevant to whether the article is worth keeping or not. -The Gnome (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. A list of credits in TV Guide is not "good coverage". Clarityfiend (talk) 09:05, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ as he does have some prominent roles in films such as The Dark Mirror (1946 film), Black Beauty (1946 film) and Killer at Large (1947 film) there should be book sources for an actor of this period, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Book sources", as in passing mentions and credit listings? Because I strongly doubt it would be anything more substantial. How does this distinguish him from the average journeyman actor? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond that, we do not keep articles because of alleged but not identified sources. People need to point to what these alleged sources are to justify having the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The argument that "surely, there must be more sources out there" is unacceptable in AfD discussions. -The Gnome (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:NEXIST actors and artists are known by their work. And this one had a long history in Hollywood mainstream productions. Lightburst (talk) 03:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep easily pass WP:GNG. Meeanaya (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have to concur with Clarityfiend here; a list of films on TV Guide is not good coverage, and it doesn't even come close to satisfying GNG. This is a BLP with no sources for even basic biographical info, and has been since 2012. I've searched for web, news, and book sources that could be used for this article, and turned up nothing. I'm astonished to have to point this out, but the GNG requires significant coverage in reliable sources, traditionally more than one, which are independent of the subject, and only then is the subject presumed notable. Significant coverage can be a slippery concept, but the guideline expressly stipulates that no original research is required to extract the content. In this article, nearly the entire lead sentence is original research. While TV Guide is a reliable source, it only gives Evans a routine filmography, not significant coverage, and is unsuitable for establishing notability, especially on its own. If anyone is able to turn up coverage of Evans in other reliable sources, those can then be evaluated, but with this AFD being in its third week, I won't hold my breath. The mere supposition that more sources could exist is not enough to keep. —Rutebega (talk) 23:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, this is not a BLP. The subject has been dead for 23 years.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:51, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Now his three roles in question have all been verified per WP:V as I added references. He meets WP:NACTOR for having multiple significant roles in notable movies The Dark Mirror (1946 film), Black Beauty (1946 film) and Killer at Large (1947 film) (all of which have Wiki articles), just like Atlantic306 has said. I would recommend the nominator to first challenge the notability of these three movies (unlikely that The Dark Mirror will get deleted, as it seems it has reviews in Variety, Radio Times and NY Times) and then come back and renominate this if he does succeed in that. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The role undertaken in The Dark Mirror by our subject actor is strictly peripheral (a D.A. who makes a couple of passing appearances) and the same goes for Black Beauty where he appears only in the beginning as the female-protagonist's father. It's only in Killer at Large that Evans gets at last a secondary actor's credit. How from these parts we leap onto satisfying WP:NACTOR I truly cannot fathom. -The Gnome (talk) 15:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since subject fails WP:NACTOR. Having one's name listed in the all-including TV Guide confers to a person as much notability as being included in the phone book. As it happens, I'm a card-carrying fan of cinema trivia and obscurities but Wikipedia is not the place one should look for those. Contributors see the number of works in which the actor participated and presume notability. It's a misplaced presumption. -The Gnome (talk) 15:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Struck my vote and changed it per The Gnome's excellent reasoning. With that, he doesn't meet WP:NACTOR and he certainly doesn't meet WP:GNG as I was unable to find significant coverage of his, even in the books. The fact he appeared in many movies or that his page has views aren't rooted in policies or guidelines and should be discounted. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Pinging Atlantic306 to see the comments. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- In view of The Gnome's report, changing to Redirect to Killer at Large (1947 film) where he had his best role, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Very clear consensus that these rulers should be considered to be notable. Just Chilling (talk) 22:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Isenburg-Kempenich

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A Google search doesn't turn up any decent sources for this article, which is wholly unreferenced. (There are also no interlanguage links and I find no mention of it on the German Wikipedia, with the full disclaimer that my German is a bit rusty.) I'm also including all of the Lords of Isenburg-Kempenich in my nomination, and will bundle them shortly. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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EDIT:Bundling all the rulers:

You need a search engine that speaks blackletter.
- Stammtafel der Herren von Isenburg-Kempenich at the Internet Archive
- Rosemann von Isenburg-Kempenich at the Internet Archive
I shall call for some help for you. Uncle G (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant German Wikipedia article is at de:Kempenich (Adelsgeschlecht). Uncle G's sources certainly confirm the existence of these people. Merging them all together might be better than individual articles given the state of the sourcing, though. —Kusma (t·c) 20:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My Google finds sources too. And besides de:Kempenich (Adelsgeschlecht), there's de:Isenburg (Adelsgeschlecht). How complicated this stuff gets is evidences in the German Kempenich article, and note that all the links in the German article are blue: "Die Herren von Kempenich waren mit folgenden Adelsfamilien verwandt bzw. verschwägert: Bedburg, Blankenheim, Büdingen, Bürresheim, Dehrn, Dorndorf, Eschweiler, Hattstein, Hüchelhoven, Isenburg, Merenberg, Myllendonk, Müllenark, Neuenahr, Pyrmont, Reifenberg, Reifferscheidt, Rolmann von Sinzig, Rosenau, Sayn, Schonenberg, Schöneck, Solms, Spanheim/Sponheim, Virneburg, Boos von Waldeck, Wied". Drmies (talk) 03:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Minor principalities in Germany were at least quasi-sovereign states. They should certainly have articles. Whether each ruler should have one will depend on whether there is enough content. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The nominator's problem is verifiability. This does not really assist on that score. Uncle G (talk) 18:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Isenburg-Kempenich, unbundle bios (require individual consideration - some are probably notable - there are issues with the names for searching - they need individual consideration). I'm not sure this was an independent state of the Holy Roman Empire. However, the noble line does have a dewiki page (which I interlinked) - and they controlled this castle (and not insignificant territory around it) - a branch of this noble family. A google book search shows quite a few hits for "Isenburg-Kempenich".Icewhiz (talk) 08:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but I wonder if the page is mis-titled. There is no Isenburg-Kempenich in the Historisches Lexikon der Deutschen Länder. Kempenich does not even have its own entry, but it is mentioned as a lordship. Srnec (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree that sourcing is a problem, but the various articles in the German Wikipedia and Google show that the main topic and the various names are (well, were) real, and in principal they are notable. There definitely are sources (books), but they are in German and it needs a lot of time and experts in the field to study them and add them as inline references to the various articles. If the bio articles can't be kept, I would suggest to merge them all into the main topic with redirects to give future authors at least a starting point, however, given the complicated structure of interconnections it seems to be more desirable to preserve the "network" already existing and therefore keep them all in separate articles.

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Keep per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Haukur (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Elliot Orr

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Footballer who fails WP:NFOOTY having not played in a fully professional league or a full international match. No indication of significant coverage to otherwise satisfy WP:GNG. Jellyman (talk) 16:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. No demonstration of notability. Barca (talk) 12:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. - MA Javadi (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article because fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL.Forest90 (talk) 14:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Noting that the nominator has given the opinion that sourcing may be somewhat thinner in this article than desired and of poorer quality, I still see a consensus at this time to keep the article based on notability grounds raised by those in favour of retaining the article. (non-admin closure) Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Autonomous Rail Rapid Transit

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This article has never really progressed beyond a glorified press release. Has the idea itself progressed beyond a demonstration? Qwirkle (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC) Qwirkle (talk) 16:56, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Even, if this concept is not perceived to be the answer to the United States' traffic jams, there is no need to erase this courageous project from history. Please keep, because the English language Wikipedia should also address topics outside of mainstream USA. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 17:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with anything you mention here. The project is not “courageous”, it does not matter where it was made, or where it might be used. It’s a blip, and one based on COI sources. It is worth a footnote, not an article. Qwirkle (talk) 17:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It sounds like the main concern here is notability. Although the majority of the sources are Chinese state-run publications, there is one instance of a prominent Western publication, Popular Mechanics, being referenced. That source's presence alone is enough, at minimum, to prevent this article from being deleted or merged with another article. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 18:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. Everything in PM isn’t notable. Qwirkle (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up: I see that in the previous AfD discussion from two years ago linked above (the result of which was "keep"), I also participated and gave a very similar reason for keeping it as my reason in this discussion. I will bring up the additional point that, per WP:Notability, notability is not temporary. I suggest that any prior AfD discussions be researched before a new one is made, as this is pretty much a DOA rehash of the previous discussion. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 18:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you see any independent sourcing, not based on press releases on this, in the article or elsewhere?

Next, note that bare notability, assuming this meets that for arguments sake, does not in itself justify a separate article. Qwirkle (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I added one new published reference from The Conversation authored by an Australian university professor who claims to have visited China and seen this new transportation system in person. The best case scenario for you at this point is that no consensus will be reached, in which case the article stays just as it would if the result becomes "keep". Please determine very carefully before you make your next reply whether it's going to be a valuable use of our time and your time to continue this discussion. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 02:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That is, in fact, the first piece of sourcing since the article was created that might justify a stand-alone article. The idea that a regurgitated press release in PM might is ludicrous; there are can-openers that meet that standard. Qwirkle (talk) 04:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS, Jackdude101 (talk · contribs): you mention participating in a previous AfD. Were you canvassed to that by the article’s creator as well, as you were [here? Qwirkle (talk) 05:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Being informed of a discussion with neutral language is not canvassing. Using that argument is the equivalent of throwing rocks because you have no bullets left. There are five "keeps" now in this discussion compared to your one "delete". You've lost; make peace with it. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 02:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Autonomous Rail Rapid Transit is now running in circles (see here) strikes you as a neutral invitation to an AfD? Heh. Qwirkle (talk) 09:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep nom fails to tell us which policy or guideline this article meets for inclusion and . The sources in the article still take it over the minimum threshold for WP:GNG. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:56, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

..that would because it ~~does~~did not meet policies for inclusion, of course. Qwirkle (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As well as the sources already identified there is plenty of coverage in doi:10.4236/jtts.2019.91003. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again, a source, even if an overlapping source (with other issues.) Note that both are centered not on this system, but on Newman’s concept of “trackless tram”; this is not necessarily evidence for a separate article. Notice also that it is sourced to SCIRP -Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) is an academic publisher of presumably peer-reviewed open-access electronic journals, conference proceedings, and scientific anthologies of questionable quality.[1][2][3] Although it has an address in southern California, in reality it is a "Chinese operation".[4], to quote its Wiki article. That article is something that stands despite its publisher, rather than because of it. At best such articles represent theft from the authors, at worst they allow stuff which would not survive peer review to get an undue imprimatur. Doesnt it strike you as odd that all the sourcing for this is bad? Qwirkle (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on basis of sources and what is mentioned by Phil Bridger. Bookscale (talk) 11:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, based on company press releases, and a piece from a predatory open access publisher[6] [accused]of using email spam to solicit papers for submission.[4]. Kewl. Qwirkle (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per Jackdude101 (talk) there is a prominent Western publication, being referenced. That source's presence alone is enough for notability. - MA Javadi (talk) 20:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don;t know if my vote is really necessary at this point, but yeah. It's notable with good sources in and out of the U.S. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 02:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Cubicle 7. Consensus here at present is that reliable sources that demonstrate a level of notability required to have it's own article may exist, but perhaps not as of yet, and not to the level required at the present time. So I'm recommending content be merged, however if the situation changes, this can always be revisited in future. (non-admin closure) Steven Crossin ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Victoriana (role-playing game)

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Article on a commercial product has one source. A standard BEFORE (JSTOR, newspapers.com, Google Books, Google News) fails to find any more WP:RS. Fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as there is a review in Black Gate (magazine) (as noted in this online table of contents) in addition to the cited source and will try to find more, otherwise merge to Cubicle 7. BOZ (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per BOZ. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Cubicle 7. I haven't access to the two sources so I am unable to assess them and I am unclear as whether the other commenters have access to the sources. A merge to preserve anything in the page that can be reliably sourced looks fine but I am currently unconvinced that a standalone page is merited. Just Chilling (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - I cannot access the book referenced, but I believe this game needs additional sources to have its own page. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 02:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Clear consensus that the subject does not meet notability guidelines. Just Chilling (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Brianna Denski

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Only one notable role (as a voice actress), so clear WP:NACTOR fail. As such, this isn't even worth Draftifying as subject currently has no hope of meeting NACTOR. Way WP:TOOSOON. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not enough sourcing to justify having this article on a minor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. To add, article is all OR. Agricola44 (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Also only source is a "local girl makes good" article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Verisys

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No indication of notability or external coverage, most of the page is about how the product works (so more appropriate for a product website than Wikipedia). Page is mostly the work of one contributor who appears to be be connected to the topic. creffett (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find any independent reliable sources that provide anything close to significant coverage. It simply isn't notable. Deli nk (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found

But not much else that looks solid. Mccapra (talk) 07:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 22:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Ali Khalaf

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A prolific author, but not one who has received any personal coverage; and apparently not a highly decorated or influential academic either. A scattering of coverage over an Islamist incident only provides passing mentions. Khalaf seems to fail WP:NAUTHOR and WP:NPROF, and WP:NBIO in general. Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As far as I can tell all his supposed publications are self-published, and all his supposed discoveries are in his own self-published journal. I didn't find reviews or even publishers for any of them. (It's a little confusing, though, because his Fauna Palaestina has the same title as a different and more notable one, he:Fauna Palaestina, edited by Levy and Amitai and published by the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities.) Maybe the titles are translated from another language? Most of the ISBNs are unrecognized but the "Family of Sharif" one links to something with a title in Arabic. There is a long list of sources but they all look either to be by the subject rather than about him, non-reliable sources (e.g. facebook posts), newspaper stories that do not establish notability (quoting him about racism in German schools) or trivial puff pieces (breathlessly reporting that his wife uploaded a photo to the National Geographic reader contributions section). None support the actual content of the article, his work as a scientist. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete I'm not seeing the coverage I think is necessary to meet the GNG. Looking at google scholar doesn't show me anything to convince me he meets WP:NPROF.Sandals1 (talk) 14:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I had PRODed this once already, finding insufficient sources. That hasn't changed. A loose necktie (talk) 05:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 22:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Story of Evil

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It's clear from the sheer length of this page that someone really, really loves this topic. I don't want to dump on the effort that's been put into the page, but I don't think the topic is notable enough for Wikipedia.

The sources I found (and on the article, and on the ja.wiki article) were all blogs. I checked the name as given in English and Japanese. There's no coverage from independent reliable sources that I can find. Caveat: I don't speak Japanese so I'm relying on Google Translate and it's entirely possible I'm not searching the right thing in Japanese. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:47, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom, unless citations showing significant coverage in reliable sources are added before the close of this discussion. bd2412 T 01:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No notability shown. SL93 (talk) 01:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not only is the majority of this massive article completely unreferenced cruft, but the sources that are present are not reliable sources. They are blogs, youtube videos, and store pages. Rorshacma (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not notability. - MA Javadi (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I read the consensus to delete for now though he may become notable later. The one 'keep' !voter does not explain why they think the subject is notable. Just Chilling (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Kofi Osei

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Subject fails WP:NACTOR. He most probably will be notable at least after a couple of years. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, the only source I can find is this. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 06:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above; see WP:UPANDCOMING, WP:MILL, and WP:TOOSOON. Bearian (talk) 16:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein ^talk 11:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tabita Rezaire

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There is some borderline notability, bust with the sourcing I could find the article fails WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

rezaire is an extremely prominent contemporary artist having had many group and solo exhibitions and publications over the last few years, appearing in biennials, festivals and notable institutions around the world. she also has a wikipedia page in french, of which this is a slightly expanded translation.Smmrcr (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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- Smmrcr, Rezair is an emerging artist. Her work is not represented in multiple museum collections and has not been the subject of a monograph, things we'd expect to see from an artist we consider notable (per our own very idiosyncratic use of notability. I can try to make the case for keeping the article, based on our general notability guideline, but the only way to do that is to show that her work has been critically assessed in several independent, reliable sources. You can help by providing such references. Note that articles by Rezaire, and her own website are not independent, reliable sources. I do think that such sources exist: for example, https://mg.co.za/article/2017-04-21-00-rezaire-awakens-what-is-within and https://artafricamagazine.org/exotic-trade-cultural-imperialism-decolonisation-and-the-internet-tabita-rezaire/ (already used as a source), https://www.indulgexpress.com/culture/kochi-muziris-biennale-2016/2018/dec/28/tabita-rezaire-ponders-over-swallowing-smartphones-at-kochi-biennale-2018-11798.html. I find some brief mentions like https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/arts/design/new-york-art-galleries-what-to-see-right-now.html but overall I think there's a good chance that there is sufficient material to create a neutral, well-sourced article. Vexations (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think the requirements of the WP:GNG can be met. On the artist's own website, I see a lot of interviews, but also sufficient in-depth coverage to sustain an article:
- http://10and5.com/2015/08/14/featured-tabita-rezaire-crystal-healer-and-cyber-warrior/ an interview, primary source, not great as a source
- http://10and5.com/2015/10/14/a-new-era-7-artists-breaking-the-internet/ a single paragraph, not substantial
- http://10and5.com/2017/04/25/video-tabita-rezaires-latest-exhibition-space-healing-history-hoteps/ short, not substantial, includes video
- http://artafricamagazine.co.za/exotic-trade-cultural-imperialism-decolonisation-and-the-internet/ this is substantial critical commentary
- http://asianculturevulture.com/portfolios/kochi-muziris-biennale-kmb-fight-the-power-tabita-rezaire-and-paul-wong/ mostly an interview
- http://autre.love/interviewsmain/2017/3/20/fighting-for-love-an-interview-of-new-media-artist-young-polemicist-and-kemetic-yogi-tabita-rezaire interview
- http://futurelabafrica.org/episodes/ntu-the-state-of-the-internet/ not independent
- http://indie-mag.com/2018/06/artist-tabita-rezaire/ independent critical assessment of the work
- http://issuu.com/stigmart10press/docs/stigmart_videofocus_-_special_issue_639bd374bf88a9/122 an artist's statement and an interview
- http://mg.co.za/article/2015-05-21-african-digital-art-in-the-age-of-globalisation discusses Rezaire amoung others
- http://performa-arts.org/magazine/entry/richard-kennedy-in-conversation-with-tabita-rezaire conversation, primary
- http://rhizome.org/editorial/2018/feb/01/artist-profile-tabita-rezaire/ interview
- http://trueafrica.co/article/tabita-rezaire-the-artist-taking-on-the-internet/ interview
- http://trueafrica.co/article/tabita-rezaire-wants-to-talk-about-angry-vaginas/
- http://www.aqnb.com/2017/05/08/body-womb-mind-and-spirit-digital-healing-with-tabita-rezaire-in-exotic-trade-at-goodman-gallery/ exhibition announcement
- http://www.aqnb.com/2017/06/20/fighting-for-the-future-with-the-digital-healing-survivalism-of-ntu-collectives-ubulawu-at-londons-auto-italia/ independent commentary
- http://www.berlinartlink.com/2018/01/13/truth-we-carry-a-lot-in-our-wombs-an-interview-with-tabita-rezaire/ interview
- http://www.bubblegumclub.co.za/ntu-ubulawu-collaborative-transcontinental-healing-practices-east-londons-auto-italia/ dead link
- http://www.bubblegumclub.co.za/tabita-rezaire-transforming-screen-gateway-healing-frequencies/ dead link
- http://www.bubblegumclub.co.za/womens-world-wide-web/ dead link
- http://www.channel24.co.za/News/Local/3-digital-artists-disrupting-the-internet-20171112 very brief
- http://www.clique.tv/qui-es-tu-tabita-rezaire-artiste-videaste-engagee/ interview
- http://www.contemporaryand.com/magazines/i-feel-more-like-a-health-practitioner/ interview
- http://www.contemporaryand.com/magazines/screen-legends/?platform=hootsuite two paragarphs about Rezaire
- http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26976/1/these-young-artists-are-putting-africa-on-the-art-world-map small paragraph
- http://www.designindaba.com/articles/creative-work/can-you-be-whoever-you-want-cyberspace podcast interview
- http://www.huckmagazine.com/art-and-culture/decolonising-the-internet-artist-tabita-rezaire/ not quite an interview
- http://www.konbini.com/en/inspiration/tabita-rezaire-afrofuturism-healing-art/ independent commentary
- http://www.okayafrica.com/news/tabita-rezaire-cyber-warrior-e-colonialism/ dead link
- http://www.polyesterzine.com/features/%E2%9D%A4-gyrl-gaze-tabita-rezaire-%E2%9D%A4 interview
- http://www.screenshot-magazine.com/projects/january-june-2017/january/blackness-and-the-internet dead link
- http://www.studiointernational.com/index.php/tabita-rezaire-interview interview
- http://www.thefader.com/2016/02/29/artists-explain-how-digital-art-can-improve-the-real-world interview
- http://www.unlabelledmagazine.com/single-post/2017/05/03/A-Personal-Interview-Photo-Shoot-with-Artist-Tabita-Rezaire interview
- https://frieze.com/article/possibilities-non-alienated-life-report-fourth-kochi-muziris-biennale brief mention
- https://howwegettonext.com/the-healing-is-in-the-art-6c914693d458#.vcoteyfyy interview
- https://i-d.vice.com/en_gb/article/calling-for-the-end-of-online-racism-with-internet-artist-tabita-rezaire interview
- https://m.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-17-emerging-artists-to-watch-in-2017 brief career overview, finds her promising, but I read that as "this is an emerging artist"
- https://mg.co.za/article/2016-07-28-00-tech-artist-bends-the-net-to-create-decolonial-spiritual-therapy-for-the-digital-age independent commentary
- https://mg.co.za/article/2017-04-21-00-rezaire-awakens-what-is-within independent commentary
- https://news.artnet.com/market/7-rising-stars-at-the-armory-show-1239041 brief career overview
- https://news.artnet.com/people/black-artists-to-watch-2016-420296 two brief paragraphs
- https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/visual-artist-and-healer-tabita-rezaire-on-the-infinite-flow-of-creative-energy/ interview
- https://www.theartnewspaper.com/gallery/artist-profiles-the-names-you-should-know brief paragraph Vexations (talk) 23:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - With some of the references above, I withdraw my nomination. She is still failing WP:ARTIST, but there are quite enough sources to support WP:GNG. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Art.Net

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This rather promotional article (COI creator with a username we wouldn't allow today) was AfD'd and kept in the glory days of 2006, when notability standards were significantly more woolly than they are today. Under today's stricter standards, requiring in-depth coverage in secondary sources, this article cannot be kept.

I have checked "art.net", "art net", and "art on the net" on Google News, Google Books, JSTOR, Questia, and Newspapers.com and found nothing. The problem is exacerbated by the generic-sounding name, which throws up chaff generated by an unrelated early-net bulletin board called ArtNet, a data protocol called Art-Net, and a popular art auction site called Artnet (as well as hits generated by things simply talking about art on the net). Testifying in court or being part in a suit does not grant notability unless secondary sources write about it in depth (they haven't). The single paragraph in the ACLU article is not sufficient depth (nor is it independent since they collaborated on some of those lawsuits).

On the whole, given the complete lack of secondary sources, we can't keep this article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the ACLU links in the article are some support but there’s so much clutter out there arising from similarly named entities that it would take me way too long to try and find RIS. I’m not sure though that that’s a good reason for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 08:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The ACLU stuff isn't really independent though, because they collaborated on those lawsuits. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this amounts to a flash in the pan, I think. It did some things early on in the Internet era that were interesting, but the sources really do not exist to generate Wikipedia notability. A search confirms the name confusion that the nom describes. I saw a few mentions in Google books, but they were not SIGCOV or independent. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I looked up all the names listed at http://art.net/studios/visual.html and http://art.net/studios/painters.html to see if there is anyone that we have an article on. There is one: Ruth Kedar, one of the founders of art.net. I am conscious of WP:NOTINHERITED, but figured that I might be able to find sources by looking at notable artists who are affiliated with art.net. That doesn't appear to be the case. Vexations (talk) 12:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Clear consensus at the last AfD that this restaurant was notable and this time the consensu is overwhelming. Just Chilling (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Moosewood Restaurant

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I read through this article twice, and I am still not seeing how this restaurant is notable. I read the original nomination for deletion page, and some of the users in the discussion there seem to be saying that the owners published some cookbooks, but, if these are so significant, then why are they not mentioned in the article's summary? I did a quick search and found a NY Times article from 1990, which leads me to believe that it maybe meets WP:GNG. But I'm not sure. I am still seeing people question the significance of this restaurant in the discussion page, so I thought I'd bring it up for another deletion nomination. I'm personally not seeing its significance. - Ambrosiaster (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:NCORP with (shamelessly copied from last AfD): [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]. They also (the collective) quite possibly possibly pass WP:NAUTHOR, and are credited with innovations / path breaking in vegetarian cuisine. Icewhiz (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable per NYT source and sources by Icewhiz. --MrClog (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The cookbooks are easily notable, and the restaurant is, too (e.g. [21],[22],[23],[24]]). Pburka (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't think anyone's questioned the restaurant's notability on the talk page since before the previous nomination. Pburka (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable restaurant as per the newspaper sources listed above, and others. Netherzone (talk) 22:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this restaurant and its cookbooks are, or, at least, were, a big deal.WaterwaysGuy (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep The nomination is self-contradictory, explaining how the topic passes the WP:GNG but "still not seeing how this restaurant is notable". Andrew D. (talk) 10:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I think i have cooked from three of their cookbooks, but the first one is the best, don't you think? And the restaurant is awesome. It is a destination worth the trip. --Doncram (talk) 07:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Moosewood Cookbook - Look, I love Moosewood Restaurant. I took the photo which illustrates the article. But I don't see the point of having an article about the restaurant AND an article about the cookbook AND an article about Mollie Katzen. Of the three, it's the cookbook that is notable; it was a best seller, and very influential in its field. The restaurant itself is a moderately popular (if beloved) restaurant in a small city. If it weren't for the cookbooks, nobody outside Ithaca would have heard of the restaurant. There are similar restaurants around the world that do not have Wiki articles. Keep the existing Moosewood Cookbook article, add a section to that about the history and background of the restaurant, and it will be well-served. --Kzirkel (talk) 12:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why merge – how would this add value to our content? We are not rewarded for cramming as much as possible into the smallest number of pages. Our actual policy is WP:NOTPAPER which indicates that we can use as many pages as we like for such content. People now commonly access Wikipedia using smart phones or smart speakers. For such usage, it's best if the content is delivered in specific, compact pieces rather than as bloated compendia. If we have three different types of subject – a book, a restaurant and a person – then our structural elements such as categories work best if we keep them separate and use links to cross-reference them. In any case, this is quite tangential to the core issue of deletion – this is not a general forum for discussing improvements and the formatting of the page(s). Andrew D. (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The restaurant is more significant than almost any restaurant I've been to, where I can think of there being a Wikipedia article. It is world-level/international in significance; people do travel out of their way to get there, and since Ithaca and Cornell University do attract considerable visitation anyhow there are a considerable number of international, national, regional visitors who get to the restaurant each week I am sure. It is a pilgrimage destination. If I recall correctly there is a guestbook which would prove that; most restaurants would not think of having a guestbook but here it makes sense. I agree that a merger wouldn't help. There could be some editing though. As far as I can tell, the restaurant article does not currently link to the Moosewood Cookbook article, and it currently states "The Collective has produced 13 cookbooks over the years, beginning with New Recipes from Moosewood Restaurant".... as if that one is not the first one (and I just checked my copy, no the 1977 Moosewood Cookbook title page as a subtitle "Recipes from Moosewood Restaurant, Ithaca, New York" but not the word "New"; maybe that one is the first by the collective as opposed to Mollie Katzen?). Note that the restaurant article is about the restaurant and the collective/publishing company which apparently has 13 works. Probably each of the separate books is not worth an article, I am not sure. A collection of three articles for the award-winning restaurant/collective, for the award-winning Moosewood Cookbook, and for Mollie Katzen as related but quite distinct types of things, categorized correctly, seems about right to me. But maybe separate articles for more of the cookbooks would be warranted, if any of the others has significant awards and coverage and meets wp:NBOOK; at least the one obviously does. --Doncram (talk) 15:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep meets WP:GNG and the nominations states as much. Icewhiz and Pburka also stirred something up! ...see what I did there? Lightburst (talk) 03:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the article, it is notable.Forest90 (talk) 14:28, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Glossary of video game terms#A. Clear agreement that this term does not merit an article. Redirecting best meets consensus. Just Chilling (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Away from keyboard

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Doesn't appear to meet the general notability guideline. In the absence of significant coverage in reliable sources, I can't see how this could ever be expanded to the point where it would be anything other than a dictionary definition. Moving to Wiktionary is unlikely to be an option as the phrase doesn't meet Wiktionary's requirement for idiomaticity. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't see how this could become more than a WP:DICTDEF. I seem to have created this (before its first deletion) while cleaning up the dab page AFK.—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 14:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- It has never been deleted, note. I thought about the history merger that you suggested, but I actually disagree with this being the primary topic at AFK and think that the disambiguation would be better back in place there, no history fiddling necessary. Uncle G (talk) 17:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It seems like there would be a central glossary or other kind of list that this could point to, but the best I see is glossary of Internet-related terms. It's not unrelated to that, but it doesn't seem to be used much for informal acronyms. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like the list I was searching for now lives at wiktionary:Appendix:English internet slang. Eh. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's worth looking at all of the prior AFD discussion around that, including the several discussions of List of Internet slang (AfD discussion) List of Internet slang phrases (AfD discussion), List of Internet slang specific to thread-based communication (AfD discussion), and things like P33n (AfD discussion), Roflcopter (AfD discussion), ROFL Attack (AfD discussion), and LOL (Internet slang) (AfD discussion). Uncle G (talk) 17:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- There's Glossary of video game terms and the term is already there. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 08:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Restore to previous AfD consensus. Govvy (talk) 17:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The consensus at the previous AfD (in 2006) was to redirect to List of Internet slang phrases. That was later moved to Wiktionary and, as Rhododendrites says, is now wikt:Appendix:English internet slang, whereas the title now redirects to Internet slang. As the former mentions this phrase and the latter doesn't, should we presume you're suggesting a soft redirect to the Wiktionary page? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ISBN 9780691168340 chapter 4 might be useful for talking about this as a concept, relating it to immersion and presence in virtual worlds. Uncle G (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's merely a WP:DICDEF and AFK (disambiguation) should be moved to AFK._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect don't delete. This is something people search for. 2,738 pageviews in the past 90 days. Just aim it like they did back in October 2006‎ when it first went to AFD. Dream Focus 01:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- There would be no target to redirect to since List of Internet slang phrases was already transwikied._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - wikt:AFK Dream Focus 03:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Then you should clarify it's a soft redirect. Personally I'm not really feeling it since the Wiktionary entry phrases it as "away from the keyboard" and it's pretty easy for a redirect to be reversed later and for the entire debate to happen all over again._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - As indeed happened in 2008. Uncle G (talk) 06:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to glossary of Internet-related terms or glossary of video game terms. Peter James (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to glossary of video game terms#A. It's in there, it belongs there, it gets the amount of space it deserves (i.e., a couple of sentences) - all good. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's probably something to eke out of Boellstorff (aforecited), ISBN 9781848824775 chapter 5, ISBN 9780198704515 chapter 2 (which cites Boellstorff itself), and some others; but I have not been able to work out what it is in the time that I have had and thus what this could be renamed and refactored into. There is a concept here. It's not the specific state of being away from the keyboard; but that is one facet of the overall concept, including the fact that it does not necessarily literally mean what it says but can imply using one's computer for something else. It is not solely presence in virtual worlds, either, as it covers presence in other areas too, such as chats. Of course, the article at hand gives zero indication of this or what the route for writing is. Uncle G (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. -- Scott Burley (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis3D

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Non-notable game engine, fails WP:GNG. I have been able to find a handful of passing mentions of the sort as "This game uses Genesis3D", but that is all, and very few of those. Nothing that specifically discusses the engine that I can tell. -- ferret (talk) 13:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. While there are a few sources available, nothing qualifies as significant coverage. Lordtobi (✉) 14:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I found three sources via Google Books. Game Design Foundations by Roger E. Pedersen, Guide to Graphics Software Tools by Jim X. Chen, and 3D Game Art by Luke Ahearn (can't see the actual content, but I can see the index which shows that an entire chapter (Ch. 8) is dedicated to the article's subject). --MrClog (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The Ahearn chapter looks compelling, at first glance, but hard to tell from the preview alone. czar 12:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn. Sandstein 20:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hadhrami League

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Doesn't seem to exist. I have done a lot of research and I couldn't find reliable independent sources mentioning this. I found some unrelated results like a league called The Hadrami League and it's not about this topic but it's a league for a Hadrami community in East Africa and has nothing to do with this. Also Hadramout was part of Yemen since ancient times including Dhufar (Salalah, Omani part of Mahra) etc see Yemen for more about this. I want also to note that weird unknown fake nationalistic organisations similar to this have been created before by another user see for example [25] SharabSalam (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The League was covered by Al Jazeera in 2012, Akhbar al Youm in 2014 in addition to dozens of other Arabic news sources over the past decade whose independence and reliability I can’t all be sure of. Mccapra (talk) 09:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Spelling more sources come up when you drop the "h", however, some of the sources that do come up are to an older usage of the phrase. books: [26]. Here's the BBC's pick-up of a local source: (Group in Yemen's Hadramawt demands governorate's right to "independence" BBC Monitoring Middle East; London [London]16 Apr 2013. Text of report in English by privately-owned Yemeni newspaper Yemen Observer website on 15 April) .E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

E.M.Gregory both spellings are true. The problem is the letter Ḍad which is pronounced differently based on the accent. It sounds like "ð" or "D" with a dot below ("Ḍ"). As a Yemeni I would pronounce it like Hadhramout not Hadramout. In non-Arabs places they would pronounce it "D" because they aren't used to pronounce "Ḍ". I would prefer it to be "D" in English Wikipedia but Hadhramout might be the most commonly used name I can't confirm that.--SharabSalam (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw my nomination After doing some research: There is no independent Hadhramout. The group or the league was a not a real thing it was a made up thing like Ahrar al-Najran. Ali Abdullah Salah the former president of Yemen did this to make South Yemen fear from getting an independence because Hadhramout which is the largest governorate in South Yemen would want an independence too. South Yemen would have nothing except some ports and deserts if they got saperated. The differences between South Yemen and north Yemen goes back to ancient times when Saba' was in the North and Himyar was in the South. Ali Salah was reportedly able to dance on the snakes heads. Currently all of what I know about the Hadhramout League is from some Facebook groups and pages.--SharabSalam (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus herein is for the article to be retained. While a common axiom is that "AfD is not cleanup", the article remains unsourced as of this close. It would be nice for proper verification to be added to the article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:01, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Melbourne, Nova Scotia

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Article is only one sentence long, I don't think it establishes notability. – numbermaniac 13:25, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We have a Lower Melbourne, Nova Scotia.... As for Melbourne proper, while that are better known Melbournes, this Melbourne passes WP:GEOLAND - and even has an adjacent lake named after itself - [27] (which is a game sanctuary for waterfowl). Icewhiz (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- But do we need that Lower Melbourne article? Even that is only a few sentences long, and it doesn't establish notability either. – numbermaniac 04:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd posit that Lower Melbourne is less notable than Melbourne, however both are villages/towns that have been populated for a few hundred years - and should pass WP:GEOLAND fulfilling our role - WP:5P1 as a gazetteer. Icewhiz (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Recognised settlement. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Municipality of the District of Yarmouth. WP:GEOLAND does not confer an automatic inclusion freebie on every named settlement that exists — that attaches to the level of incorporated municipalities, not necessarily to individual neighbourhoods within them. At that smaller level, the notability test is the ability to write and reliably source some actual substance about the community, not just the ability to see it on a map, and communities which don't have the sources just get redirected to their parent municipality rather than standing alone as permanently unsourced one-line stubs which just state that the place exists, the end. The municipality is inherently notable per GEOLAND; the individual neighbourhoods within it get their own separate articles only if they can be substanced and sourced well enough to demonstrate a reason why they need a separate article from the parent municipality. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- No, there's no mention of incorporated municipalities within WP:GEOLAND. Any separate settlement that is recognised is notable, even if it comes under another administrative unit. Areas of towns that are merely unofficial divisions within a contiguous built-up area are a different matter, but this is a separate, named village well outside the town itself. We have always held these to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, we never have done any such thing. GEOLAND does not provide that if a community happens to have observable geographic boundaries and a name, then it's exempted from actually having to have any reliable sources at all — the question of whether an unincorporated community qualifies for its own article, or just for redirection to its parent municipality, always still hinges on how much content we can or can't substance and source about the community in its own right. Note that GEOLAND explicitly distinguishes legally recognized places (i.e. municipalities) as inherently notable, while downgrading places without legal recognition (i.e. communities within municipalities) as "considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG". Having a name is not the difference between "legal recognition" or lack thereof; having a municipal government is the difference. Bearcat (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - A settlement does not have to be a municipality to be "legally recognised". We have, for instance, always regarded every village or hamlet in the UK that has a name sign at either end of it (which are set up by the council, which is de facto legal recognition) to meet the requirements of GEOLAND, although many of them are not parishes (i.e. municipalities) in their own right, but are part of other parishes. There is a big difference between such a settlement and a small group of houses which may have a name that is used locally but is not otherwise recognised; the latter would not satisfy GEOLAND. However, it seems clear that Melbourne falls into the former category. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The Geographical Names Board of Canada lists Melbourne as an official place name[28], which constitutes legal recognition and qualifies for notability under WP:GEOLAND. As examples of places without legal recognition, GEOLAND lists subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods, which usually wouldn't show up in a government place name database. Highway 89 (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Geographical Names Board is just a directory of place names that exist, not a conferrer of legal recognition upon them. They certainly have the power to forbid the use of names that might be offensive, like "Fucktown" or "N-Word Park", but their primary role is to descriptively list the names that geographical features have rather than to prescriptively bestow legal status on them. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, per discussion above. --Doncram (talk) 09:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Wikipedia is an almanac as well as an encyclopedia. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. Of note is that managers/senior managers of organizations and companies do not have presumed notability on English Wikipedia based upon their professional status. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Anne Feeney

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She is Senior Director of External Relations at the International Peace Institute (IPI) and thus notable. Please keep. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - with International Peace Institute - not enough RS coverage to warrant own article. Possible WP:TOOSOON. Netherzone (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What’s to merge, beyond a name and a job title? Qwirkle (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a section in the IPI article called "Notable individuals" - not all the people listed there have their own article. It seems given Feeney's track record that she would qualify. Netherzone (talk) 15:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a better approach would be to remove them too, or at least describe them differently, since in Wiki’s peculiar vocabulary they are not notable. Qwirkle (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Despite the single word nomination without any rationale for deletion. This person does not seem to meet the inclusion threshold. I have found no further sourcing to support anything over the current sources in the article which are a primary source and a business listing about the charity, not the subject at hand. I don't believe even her position is even notable enough to make a mention in the International Peace Institute article. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 14:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The sourcing simply doesn't establish GNG and simply being the executive director of an NGO/Peace institute does not establish notability either. I agree with Qwirkle that we should probably remove the "notable individuals" without articles on the IPI article as well. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an event planner for a minor NGO who lacks a claim to notability and lacks sourcing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is no clear consensus. It has been over a week since the last comment so I can't justify 3rd relist. This close is without prejudice to a fresh nomination after a reasonable time. Just Chilling (talk) 13:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ClimateHouse

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Delete 12-year-old declined prod; tagged with no sources for a decade. WP:BEFORE reveals nothing that would cause this to pass the WP:N guideline. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep I think the main problem is the English title. There is a lot of potential sources if you search under CasaClima or KlimaHaus, and indeed the de.wiki and it.wiki articles are properly sourced. I’d suggest we rename this article to KlimaHaus (CasaClima) as the English term really doesn’t seem to have taken off so much.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccapra (talk • contribs) 07:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC) Striking this earlier !vote as I've accidentally voted twice and made exactly the points just a week apart. There must be some kind of message here...... Mccapra (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Perhaps there are non-English WP articles that have good sources, but assuming they establish notability isn't enough; that's essentially WP:MUSTBESOURCES. The Italian and German articles (just translations of one or the other; not two articles) have a list of books but only one footnote to a useless government document. If an editor has actually read and understood the books at KlimaHaus#Literatur and wants to come here affirm those books meet WP:SIGCOV, fine, accept that AGF. But otherwise we don't really know if these are self-published, have only passing mention, or what. The content iteslf is machine translated copy-paste of a boilerplate mission statement, and so there's nothing worth saving. Bad title, bad content. What is the point? Anyone is free to create KlimaHaus (CasaClima) and start fresh if they have the sources in their hands. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No proof of notability. SL93 (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The English term is not much used, but the Italian CasaClima and German KlimaHaus are much more common. It might make sense to rename the article CasaClima (KlimaHaus) to reflect this, though users may search under the English term I imagine. Among the sources I found (there’s plenty more) for CasaClima and KlimaHaus are:

Erwin Mlecnik (2013). Innovation Development for Highly Energy-efficient Housing: Opportunities and Challenges Related to the Adoption of Passive Houses. IOS Press. pp. 271–. ISBN 978-1-61499-235-6

Davide Reina; Silvia Vianello (2011-09-13T00:00:00+02:00). Greenwebeconomics. EGEA spa. ISBN 978-88-238-7300-1

Ian Cooper; Martin Symes (22 August 2008). Sustainable Urban Development Volume 4: Changing Professional Practice. Routledge. pp. 259–. ISBN 978-1-134-07172-2

Giulio Cainelli; Maria Chiara Cattaneo (2010) Innovare con le imprese. Valtellina. Profili di sviluppo: FrancoAngeli. pp. 144–. ISBN 978-88-568-2620-3

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Comment I should say that I’ve only indicated sources that establish clearly that the ClimateHouse standard is a notable topic. These particular sources don’t describe the technical detail of the standard, but there are others that substantiate the specifics of the article content. Mccapra (talk) 04:20, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but Rename. The Italian term "CasaClima" and the German "KlimaHaus" are well established and can be found also in official documents, probably because of the origin in the Bozen–Südtirol region, which is bi-lingual IIRC. The English term appears to be an attempt of a translation in order to widen the scope for an international audience. I have seen both "ClimateHouse" (rarely) as well as "KlimaHouse" (more often - yes, this spelling). So, if it cannot be established that one or both of them are the official terms, we might rename the topic into "CasaClima" and have redirects from the other 3 terms.

The English article leaves a lot to be desired (but not relevant in AfD per WP:CONTN and WP:NEXIST), but could be brought into something much more acceptable by translating more contents from either the Italian or the German article.

Also, per Mccapra above, I see WP:GNG fulfilled.

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Delete the Article, it's not notable itself.Forest90 (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Mixed feelings about this one but I would go with Mccapra. - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Commuter Cars Tango. Agreement that the content should be retained in some form with a 'merge' best meeting consensus. Just Chilling (talk) 13:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Commuter Cars

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Only reference is to the company's own website Rathfelder (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Commuter Cars Tango. If you combine coverage of the car with coverage of the company, it nets just enough notability to justify one article. Most of our sources are interested in what makes the car unique, rather than the company, so we probably prefer to keep the car article and merge a summary of the details about the company into a section of that article, rather than the other way around. Yet another WP:TOOSOON electric vehicle permastub. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep CNN Money, Bloomberg, The subject was notable in 2005 and once a subject is notable it remains notable. WP:NTEMP Lightburst (talk) 04:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The CNN Money article is based entirely on an interview and therefore fails WP:ORGIND. The Bloomberg reference is a basic generic listing provided by the company with no independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and/or fact checking and is not significant coverage, fails both SIGCOV and ORGIND. "Coverage" does not equate to references that may be used to establish notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Dennis Bratland. The coverage is slim on both the car and the company, but if merged, it may just barely squeak by the WP:GNG. Case in point, of the three sources provided by Lightburst above, the Bloomberg link is just a catalog entry for the company with no actual coverage, and the other two are brief and more about the actual product than the company itself. I don't have any strong opinions on whether this article should be merged into the Commuter Cars Tango article, as suggested by Dennis Bratland, or that article should be merged here, but I do believe that one of those should be done, as we do not need both as separate articles. Rorshacma (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. One article or two, and decide whether the merged article should be here or there. When the article was nominated there were no references, but Lightburst found and added some and improved the article. Such a common name, you have to add in the word "tango" to get valid results in Google news search. Dream Focus 16:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge with to Commuter Cars Tango. I have improved the reference formatting on the latter article, but it would be improved by moving some of the "References" to in line citations. I also improved the formatting of the reference in this article Commuter Cars. In any event, between the two articles, there is plenty to satisfy WP:GNG. WP:NEXIST. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Dennis Bratland, but in the other direction (keep the company article, merge its products in; more or less a set index article). Both seem notable enough but not independently. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge It looks like enough to support an article after merge. Springee (talk) 19:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Dennis Bratland. Normally I'd go with the company name for the article, but Commuter Car is more or less a generic phrase for any car used for commuting. This company only made the one car which has been covered in several specialist magazines unreferenced on either page currently and Commuter Cars Tango is much more likely to be a recognisable and searched for title. Mighty Antar (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mighty AntarI kind of agree with Ivanvector's logic. Perhaps rename this article Commuter Cars Company and merge to it. Lightburst (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Commuter cars is a WP formatted generic name. Commuter Cars isn't.

Keep as an established company, albeit small, and notable worldwide for their WTF pricing model. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:37, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lolol Lightburst (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, I think the article would get more attention and coverage if it is merged in Commuter Cars Tango Alex-h (talk) 09:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plenty of material that isn't directly about the Tango here. I see no harm whatsoever in keeping this article. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:17, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Agree with Dennis Bratland above. The vehicle is notable, and all of the coverage that goes to establishing notability is about the unique aspects of the car. None of the references for the company meet the criteria for establishing the notability of the company, topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP HighKing⁺⁺ 12:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is that this car fails to meet notability standards. The source produced by the keep !voter is a directory mention and does not constitute WP:SIGCOV. Just Chilling (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hornet (car)

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Unreferenced and promotional Rathfelder (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Can't find anything on Google either. Clearly not notable. William2001^(talk) 21:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is not pronominal the car has not been in production for a number of years now. In the UK there is a large following for Kit Cars and historic information on older kits needs to be maintained for future reference. If it is deleted from Wikipedia where will this information be obtainable from? Surely the main point of Wikipedia is it is an encyclopedia of information and I feel it should include information that otherwise isn't available. I recently carried out some research on Kit Cars from the 60s and it was quite difficult to obtain reference material and photographs of the cars. I agree that the Hornet Kit Car Wikipedia entry is short but at least it is available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turbojo (talk • contribs) 11:59, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because the subject is not notable itself and also fails GNG.Forest90 (talk) 11:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looks like this is mentioned in at least one reiable source: https://archive.org/stream/katalog2005.compressed/katalog2005.compressed_djvu.txt Bjornredtail (talk) 07:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete That one source referred above may have accurate information, but it is essentially a product catalogue and we are an encyclopedia. I may change vote if there is some news-pieces on this car. To suggest that some fans may need this information is not wrong, but is essentially suggesting fan-cruft to be included, I see no reason why we should treat this any differently than a non-notable manga character etc.Viztor (talk) 22:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Following the presentation of additional sources a consensus to 'keep' has emerged. Just Chilling (talk) 13:29, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GKD Sports Cars

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Unreferenced and promotional Rathfelder (talk) 20:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete pretty open and shut. No sources and written poorly. MaskedSinger (talk) 20:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that it should be deleted, although poorly written articles can be saved with some clean up. William2001^(talk) 21:16, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly not notable per both WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. William2001^(talk) 21:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC) Keep with the source provided. Didn't see that. Thanks. William2001^(talk) 00:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the German Wikipedia article has two sources that can be used, and demonstrate that at least GNG is met. Needing improvment is not a reason to delete. Mjroots (talk) 04:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per sources on Google News and Google Books, Meets GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources provided allow the article to pass the WP:GNG. Also, deletion is not cleanup. AmericanAir88^(talk) 04:20, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per above. Zach of the cosmos (talk) 22:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Solid enough majority for keep; no need to relist this once more. (non-admin closure) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Gatt

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Non notable bit part actor. Lacks significant roles in notable productions. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Prolific actor/voice actor that easily passes WP:NACTOR. I removed a defunct website from refs and added 2 interviews. Also note that article appears in no less than 8 other languages, with the Russian having a decent set of references. StonyBrook (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The actor meets our general notability guideline. Actors are known for their work, rather than how many times they were in the headlines for drunk driving, or other chicanery. I see some non-trivial coverage, Hollywood Reporter He also gets some attention for his condition: alopecia, The subject has a large body of work. Lightburst (talk) 00:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete being a prolific actor does not make one notable if none of the roles are significant ones in major productions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This actor passes the WP:GNG as a result of the sources and listing of films. The condition he has as well also gives him media attention. AmericanAir88^(talk) 11:47, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning keep. I would think that a large enough body of small work would be comparable for notability purposes to a small body of large work. bd2412 T 01:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete . Sources do not satisfy WP:NACTOR. A plethora of weak sources or bit parts does not compensate for a lack of solid, independent, in-depth RS, or major roles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Looking at the series episodes he has appeared in of The 100 and Z Nation, for example, I believe that he has had significant roles. The 3 episodes of The 100 that he appeared in were the last two episodes of the first season and the first episode of the second season: Gatt's character commands a group and leads an attack on the 100. In Z Nation, Gatt played "The Man" in 6 episodes of season 3. Quoting from Z_Nation#Main_cast: "The Man first appears in the first episode of season 3, "No Mercy". Following a list created by his Zona employer, it is his job to collect people by any means necessary and ship them to Zona. He is ruthless and will take out anyone in his way. He is known to have completely decimated at least two survivor communities to obtain the people on his list. He has a perfect success rate and has yet to lose a target. As of the second episode of season 3, "A New Mission", The Man's current list contains only one name: "Alvin Bernard Murphy". His fate is unknown to the group following the season 3 finale, as he is not mentioned again." In Banshee, Gatt appeared in 6 episodes in Seasons 1 and 2, playing a man who served time with the main character, and, as one newspaper said, "was given the job of making his life behind bars a living hell", and the main character has flashbacks to that time after his release. These are not forgettable bit parts, they appear to be crucial to the seasons/episodes in which he appeared. I haven't yet checked all the productions he has been in - and I note that the article states "Gatt also performed in many musicals in London's West End and in national tours", but none are listed yet - but they are certainly enough to show that he meets WP:NACTOR. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for your well thought out comment. Unfortunately to me it comes across as original research. You seem to be presenting your personal opinion of what is a significant role in those series. My personal opinion is that they are not significant. Why, because of the lack of coverage around him and his roles. On the musicals, searching a newspaper database I didn't find any verification of that beyond a passing mention. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep He did play the main antagonist or at least one of two main antagonists on Cinemax's Banshee. His story arc lasted at least one season if not two. The show was well received and his role as The Albino was notable. I am sure if you google some combination of his name, The Albino and Banshee you will find a lot more coverage. Along with his other credits, i would vote to keep at the moment. ScienceAdvisor (talk) 01:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tia Walker

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Pronotion for non notable blogger. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Looking at the current sourcing, 1, press release. 2, by her. 3, doesn't mention her. 4, a picture. 5, by her. 6, a blog about blogs [29], not rs, gives her one whole sentence. 7, primary, shows her working. 8, FashionWeekDaily [30] gives her a whole sentence. 9, a bunch of images of unidentified models. 10 dead ([31] covers the same show?). 11, video is gone but picture shows it was an interview, title of source says PR. 12, does not mention her. A search found nothing good for GNG. She has not done anything particularly noteworthy. Walked some fashion shows. Was a reporter. Blogged. Launched a website (copyright 2023). May have been an extra on TV (nothing on imdb). Nothing says notable. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete honestly I’m not sure what specific norms and precedents we’d apply to an article of this type but the sources look like trivia to me. If there’s some policy to say they’re reliable independent sources I’m happy to be contradicted. Mccapra (talk) 22:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per an excellent analysis of the sources. The best I was able to find was a biography on a website she is or was an author of [32]. But as a WP:PRIMARY, it does not establish notability, and so she fails WP:BASIC for the lack of SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 07:35, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Reliable sources have been produced resulting in a clear consensus to keep. Just Chilling (talk) 13:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Surautomatism

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Unsourced. The one quote included in this stub article does not use the word "surautomatism". Seems to be a neologism. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no sources MaskedSinger (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Cannot find any significant (or even less significant), reliable, and independent sources on this. Fails WP:GNG. William2001^(talk) 21:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC) Keep Looks like I made a mistake here. Thanks for letting me know. William2001^(talk) 17:03, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep On reading this it sounded like pseudo-intellectual bullshit to me, but it is sourceable pseudo-intellectual bullshit and those saying they couldn't find anything didn't look very hard. Book sources include The Language of Surrealism and Historical Dictionary of Surrealism. Both sources confirm that Luca and Trost are responsible for this (the latter has entries for both of them [33][34]) so the fact that the Luca and Trost quotation does not contain the word is not very significant. Having said all that, I wouldn't oppose a merge into surrealism if someone wants to take that on. I don't think there is ever going to be a great deal to say about this subject. SpinningSpark 11:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do the two sources you cite use the word? Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:32, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The source I provided actually uses the term surautomatism.

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Yeah, the language is, well, "strange", but that "madness" is part of what "surrealism" was about, I think...

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@Beyond My Ken: Why are you asking that question? Can you not follow the links I provided? And yes, they do use that word. The Historical Dictionary has it as a headword in an entry of a hundred words or so, and it is also used in the entries for "Trost, Dolfi" and "Entoptic Graphomania". The Language of Surrealism source says "They [Trost and Luca] termed their manic method surautomatism (Lucal and Trost 1945) or superautomatism (Trost 1945), and included examples of indecipherable writing, text produced so fast and with spasmodic muscle movements that the products could not be made out into conventional words." There is also some coverage in Sacred Surrealism, Dissidence and International Avant-Garde Prose, and it is listed as a surrealist technique in Architectural Draughtsmanship: From Analog to Digital Narratives. SpinningSpark 19:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest now that you have found those sources, you edit the article to make it clearer that the word is legitimate. Perhaps then other editors, myself included, might agree that the article should not be deleted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...and maybe you should have said in the first place that your problem was you wanted to see the sources in the article rather than get me to waste my time replying to you here. If you want to petulantly persist with delete knowing that sources exist, that is entirely up to you. You have no business demanding that I do something with the article. It is not my responsibility to fix the article any more than it is yours or any other editor. It does not become my responsibility just because I found some sources. If I choose to do anything at all, it won't be until this AFD is closed. I'm not going to work on something only to have it deleted. SpinningSpark 22:41, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is not a neologism, but an established though little-known term in arts. I've heard the German equivalent of it ("Surautomatismus") in arts courses in school many decades ago. The earliest source I could find is from 1945 already, and this might even be the source originally defining it (or at least being close to it). I have therefore added a reference to the text "Dialectique de la dialectique" by Gherasim Luca and Dolfi Trost stating (boldface by me):

"Poussant l'automatisme jusqu'à ses limites les plus concrètes et absurdes (le surautomatisme, le talisman-simulacre), objectivisant d'une manière ininterrompue le hasard et l'obligeant à renoncer à son caractère de rareté provenant de la découverte de l'objet trouvé (l'objet objectivement offert, la graphomanie entropique), nous écartons l'idée insupportable de ne pouvoir le capter toujours."

I think the article should be expanded, but if it cannot be kept the term should be redirected to "Dialectique de la dialectique".

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With the added refs I meanwhile clearly see WP:GNG fulfilled to establish notability. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Spinningspark and Matthiaspaul: Thanks for the info. However, I do not think that keep is the solution here per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Thoughts? Thanks. William2001^(talk) 19:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. Citing NOTDICTIONARY without any explanation of why this is a dictionary entry, well, you may as well cite WP:IDON'TLIKEIT. Which of the four major criteria on NOTDICTIONARY do you believe this page fails? It is four sentences plus a lengthy quotation, which is more than a typical dictionary entry and certainly goes beyond a definition. Further, the article is clearly capable of expansion from the sources. SpinningSpark 19:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See this for the back story of articles created by the same now-banned editor. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:16, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But that user wasn't blocked for creating articles about rare arts topics, or was he? I mean, nobody get's it right all the time, and the variant "soufflage" is in fact used by some (even some academics), so he might have known the technique under this name rather than "sifflage". We still have to further narrow down its first usage in order to sort out if Wikipedia introduced the spelling variant or not. If so, that would be sad, but for as long as it was not deliberately created (as a joke or hoax or whatever) we can't put the blame on a former user, but should put it more on our ignorant or lazy community not recognizing it in all those years. Actually, we than should thank that former user for creating an entry for it in the first place at all. I haven't checked for why that user was blocked and don't defend him, I just think that it isn't a drama. Let's fix it and be happy.

What is more annoying is the fact that so many arts terms were nominated for deletion recently that is is next to impossible to properly research them all in the given time frame, so it is very likely that some of them will slip through and be deleted even though they are notable - and articles about rare/obscure topics once deleted are seldomly recreated because experts about these topics are rare as well. At least I don't want Wikipedia to be an encyclopedia for mainstream topics only.

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Keep. The sources SpinningSpark provided are fairly cut-and-dry. The argument that it needs to be fixed immediately to avoid deletion seems like textbook WP:IMPATIENT to me. I also found this journal article which discusses surautomatism on pp. 4–7. —Nizolan ^{(talk · c.)} 14:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good one. I have added (as raw refs for now) to the article what we found so far. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I personally would very much prefer to see the outcome of this discussion be that this article is kept. Although the article is undoubtedly beset with problems, my inclination is to have the sense that these certainly can be fixed. StewBrewer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep not a neologism. Reliable sources exist. Vexations (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article needs a lede rewrite to make the etymology clearer.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of R-rated films based on comics

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Category intersection based on U.S.-centric criterion. Trivialist (talk) 18:25, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Trivialist, Nice seeing you again. I have had this discussion before with NatGertler. I did not create this wiki page, but we did add some R rated comic book films to this page. It is interesting that this page is again being considered for deletion. You should wait until more editors arrive to have a thorough debate on this discussion. Cardei012597 (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason I did not file this AFD myself back when I was keeping an eye on it (I've de-watchlisted it) is listicles like this, this, and this... which didn't convince me that this page was needed (the OP's concerns are valid), but made me not feel like putting up the fight. The earlier discussion Cardei mentioned can be found here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unnecessary cross-categorization without reliable sources establishing notability and why R-rated comics movies are unique compared to G-rated comics movies or R-rated comedies. Listicles that do not discuss the topic with substance do not count. Reywas92^Talk 04:35, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reliable sources coverage of the topic such as Nat Gertler's examples, R-rated comics adaptions do have a distinctive genre to pg or pg-13 films so a list is acceptable imv, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 22:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Two of those three sources focus on R-rated superhero comic adaptations, which I think only get attention in the "Bam! Pow! Comics aren't just for kids anymore" kind of way. The Cinemablend has more variety, but still starts with "Don't ever let anyone tell you that comic books and comic book movies are solely for younger audiences." Argento Surfer (talk) 13:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, both the ScreenRant and the Cinemablend ones cover comics adaptations in general (despite the URL, the ScreenRant one has such non-superhero fare as A History of Violence and Road to Perdition.) However, the Digitalspy one isn't even limited to adaptations; it includes original superhero films such as Super and Darkman. The idea that receiving one specific rating from one of many groups that rates movies makes it a "genre" is befuddling to me... and in some of the cases listed, it's only a specific edit that got that particular rating, so its hard to say its something that speaks particularly to the nature of the film. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Atlantic. Cardei012597 (talk) 02:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a non-notable cross categorisation. Majority of the sources just link to Rotten Tomatoes, which doesn't offer anything substational to WP:LISTN. Ajf773 (talk) 10:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and Reywas92. This appears to be no more than a trivia list with no real explanation of why this cross-categorization is notable. Highway 89 (talk) 21:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Def. seems to be a trivial attribute. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sandstein 20:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PWCT (software)

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Yet another Windows-platform easy coding language. This one's (for a novelty) based on FoxPro, rather than VB.

Some sources (in Arabic) but nothing robust enough to indicate that this has any place in an encyclopedia. Does it introduce any new programming paradigm? Is it in widespread use? Has it been used to build any significant new site or product? No. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"Does it introduce any new programming paradigm?" : Super Server Paradigm, It's a general-purpose visual programming language, Master Thesis research paper, it comes with unique features like using the Time Dimension to run programs in the past or play programs as movie. Video.
"Is it in widespread use?" : It's one of the top 5 education software on Sourceforge [35] over 21 million downloads
"Has it been used to build any significant new site or product?" : Unlike many visual programming languages that are used only in education, or domain-specific areas, this visual language is used for serious tasks, the Ring programming language is developed using it.
Speedy Keep The topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article, Three references for notability (2 pages review in Al-Allam Magazine [36], (5 pages review in research paper) [37], Half page review in Computertotaal magazine [38]. Enough to satisfy GNG. Charmk (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ring (programming language) has already gone. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the end of that discussion about Ring, other editors advised me to write an article about PWCT (not Ring) because it will be more easy to demonstrates notability. Charmk (talk) 05:54, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Starting from your first source, I'm having a hard time finding any information about this magazine. A google search for "Al-Allam magazine" gives 0 results. Searching for "Al-Aalem Magazine" (the spelling used in the pdf you linked), gives 1 result, which is just a mirror of the now-deleted Wikipedia article Ring (programming language). Is there a different search term I should be using? Colin M (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's a printed magazine (AL - AALEM(Scientist) Magazine – November 2008 Eleventh Year - No. 116) ISSN: 1319-6545 Deposit number 18/0157 Charmk (talk) 06:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The magazine from 1997, also it's active this link for issue 209 in 2016 of the same magazine. Charmk (talk) 07:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Check for ISSN [39] Charmk (talk) 07:17, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The fact that it's currently in print and yet there's almost no evidence of its existence on the internet strikes me as a red flag. Looks like this is the creator's website - I could only find a brief mention of the magazine there, among a long list of publications on his CV. Unfortunately I can't read Arabic, so I can't assess the actual contents of the magazine/article, but just based on its apparent obscurity (and little red flags, like the magazine listing a hotmail e-mail address as contact information) I'm disinclined to think that it's a reliable publication for the purposes of establishing the notability of this software. Colin M (talk) 03:28, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's a printed magazine from 1997 with ISSN, this is enough for Wikipedia, having an online website is not a rule as stated in Wikipedia guidelines Charmk (talk) 07:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You don't know Arabic, and Wikipedia allows Non-English resources, and I know Arabic, this resource is reliable secondary resources contains 2 pages review Charmk (talk) 07:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Point of clarification: above, Charmk says that PWCT is "one of the top 5 education software on Sourceforge". Their link only establishes that it was among the 5 most downloaded programs during one week. Also, of the other software listed on that list, only one has a Wikipedia article: PSeInt. And it's been tagged for notability for a couple years. Colin M (talk) 03:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this link for a list of education software in Sourceforge, it's always in the top 5 for many years. See web archive [40] Charmk (talk) 07:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The others have Wikipedia pages like Moodle, Tux_Paint, Gnuplot and PSeInt Charmk (talk) 07:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:GNG is not satisfied. I don't find "Al-Allam magazine" reliable for the reasons I mentioned above. Regarding the research paper: I'm not inclined to give much weight to coverage in an academic paper unless it's published in a journal that clearly has strong editorial standards, or is influential in its field, or the authors are well established as subject matter experts. This does not seem to be the case here. Charmk, I don't know if you noticed this, but, ironically, Tersus, an article which you nominated for deletion is mentioned in this very paper (pages 48-49). Finally, there's the Computertotaal article. I don't think this coverage is significant (1 paragraph), and I also don't think the source seems particularly reliable. The article is a "listicle" with no author listed (it seems to be just attributed to "Computertotaal staff"). I also looked at the Al Riyadh source linked in the article. I think it falls a bit short of significant coverage - it's structured as an interview with the creator, Mahmoud Fayed, and is as much about him as PWCT. Colin M (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG is satisfied. Charmk (talk) 09:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You opinion is based on ignoring resources for notability because you don't know Arabic, please revise yourself and let others who know Arabic or can use (Google Translation) to evaluate these resources. Al-Allam magazine is a printed magazine from 1997, and I listed the ISSN, see my comments above. Charmk (talk) 07:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The research paper contains over 5 pages about PWCT. it's written by Dr. Jerry M. Chin and Dr. Cathy A. Van Landuyt and published in e-JBEST journal, and we can see the journal editors here, a list of respected people. Charmk (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, the eminent technologists Jerry Chin and Cathy Van Landuyt hailing from a storied research institution ranked #111 among "regional midwest universities". I'm sure they're very bright people, but I don't see them being recognized as significant figures in their field, nor do I see any evidence that the paper itself was very influential or widely read. As far as I can tell, it has been cited 0 times since it was published in 2013. Colin M (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Computer!Totaal Magazine is a printed magazine and you can read it's article in Wikipedia here, this article talk about an interesting point that most of visual programming language are used in education and are limited but you can make almost anything with PWCT. the PWCT software support code generation in C, Python, etc and this provides interesting power in a visual programming system. Charmk (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are two articles in the Al Riyadh newspaper, not just one. The one that you are talking about is an interview and review written by Prof. Dr. Hend Al-Khalifa, and there is another article written by Khaled Almesahuge Charmk (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are 4 articles about PWCT in Youm7 journal, 2 of them are (interview) so we can't use them for notability, and there are two others [41][42] by Mones Hawas are reviews written in the science and technology section in the journal, I avoided listing them in this discussion because there are other resources and you told me before in our discussion about Ring that you don't like it, which is not fair in my point of view, but this time I respected your feelings and avoided listing these references just for you which give me a feeling that I am learning to do wrong things in my opinion just to please other editors. Charmk (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PWCT is distributed many times with many magazine like the Electronics for You magazine, and PCQuest_(magazine). I'm not using this reference for notability, but it's just an indicator about popularity. Charmk (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday, I discovered this review and added the reference to the article, this review is written by Andrei Fercalo and published by Softpedia, a software and tech-news website based in Romania Charmk (talk) 08:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that source is typical of all the sources I've looked at here: it doesn't say anything. It's a re-hashed press release, not (by any visible evidence) based on actually using the product or having knowledge of it. It just recycles the same bullet point list as PWCT's own claims.

None of these are even explained. The 'features' of PWCT are the same set of wild claims we've had for 4GLs since the 1980s, and with as little to back them up (no effort needed. no skill needed, generates everything that a skilled developer can do). But they're only bullet points, there is no detail to their description, there is no sourcing to WP:V any of these claims. There are no inline citations in this whole article and every sentence warrants a {{citation needed}} tag. Maybe PWCT is notable, maybe it isn't: but this article does nothing to sway the reader to think that it is. Having read this article, the reader is no wiser: they haven't learned anything about PWCT. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the article topic is notable and the PWCT software is popular too, and I agree with you, this Wikipedia article needs improvements and could be improved, I started the PWCT article three days ago, and along the time I will try to improve it. You are a great wikipedia writer with many articles in your profile, I just started my journey in writing complete articles in Wikipedia instead of doing little improvements, and I think that I will learn a lot of things from you and the other editors too. Thanks Charmk (talk) 10:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PWCT is different from 4GL, because 4GL are domain specific programming languages, like Clipper, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, etc. but PWCT belongs to another group of programming languages. these languages called (Visual Programming Languages like Scratch, Alice, LabView, Lava, etc) where we don't write textual source code and develop all of the application using more than one dimension (Graphs, Shapes, Colors, Time, etc). The projects in this research area are known to be designed only for Education or some domain specific areas. PWCT is unique because it's (General-Purpose) and are used in serious work and low level stuff because it supports code generation in many programming languages including C, Python, Harbour, etc. Also the software contains unique features like (Run program in the past), (Play program as movie), etc. Charmk (talk) 10:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PWCT is developed using Visual FoxPro, but it's not Visual FoxPro clone, it's another different project, the same as when we say Python is written in C, that doesn't means Python is a C clone, because they are different languages. Charmk (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PWCT is open source project and from [43] we notice "The way the app is distributed. It is reasonable to allow relatively informal sources for free and open-source software, if significance can be shown.". So we have more options too. Charmk (talk) 10:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep This seems to be a continuation of the previous Ring AfD. I assume good faith and take articles in Arab language media as useable RS (there are listed more in the previous AfD eg. Al Riyadh: [44]). I can imagine even tech related Arab language sources create some sort of bubble not connected to the outside world. Pavlor (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the useful feedback. Charmk (talk) 10:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep Sources cited provide evidence of notability. Clicking on the reliable sources found by Charmk I see some give significant coverage so this easily passes the general notability guidelines Ak7324835 (talk) 01:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC) — Ak7324835 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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Keep There are strong sources that have been found. The programing guides and articles meet WP:NSOFT. AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (my gut said Delete) We relax our inclusion criteria for free & open source per WP:NSOFT#Reliability and significance of sources. That sidesteps the issue of whether the sources are RS or not (the Arabic language issue is moot). Most seem weak - 1. non-independent as they're interviews or appear to be rewritten interviews 2. Research papers may be borderline or fail "reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses" WP:SCHOLARSHIP. That's somewhat subjective but per NSOFT is adequate for WP:N. The only issue left is platform - this being Windows, which shouldn't matter. I do agree with the spirit of Andy Dingley. The article is a mess. It comes across as WP:NOTPROMOTION - do any editors need to disclose any WP:COI? draftify to rewrite would be better than deletion, but that is WP:SURMOUNTABLE.Widefox; talk 16:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT rights in Western Sahara

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OK, non-exhaustive list of policies, guidelines and essays (in particular WP:ATA) that may be relevant here:

Reason this article should be speedily deleted: this article practically has no content other than links. A total violation of WP:A3
Reason this article should not be speedily deleted: this is an important topic, and should have an article. It has existed since 11 January 2009 Someone could step in and improve it.
Reason this article should not be referred to WP:AFD: "Articles for Deletion is not cleanup".
Reason this article should be be referred to WP:AFD: maybe "LGBT rights in Western Sahara" could be a good stand-alone article, or could be a good WP:REDIRECT to (which page?).

Discuss. Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 09:21, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Perfectly valid disambiguation page. If this were deleted, it would leave a redlink on the Africa topics template footer. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect at most Why not redirect this valid name to a valid target? As noted, deletion will leave a redlink in dozens of articles. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is not a disambiguation page. This is a stand alone article which should be addressing the subject but says nothing about LGBT rights in the Western Sahara. Instead, the reader is directed to LGBT right in other countries e.g. Morocco and LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. There is already a navbox which the reader is quite capable of using to visit those articles. This particularly article serves no purpose. There is practically nothing about the subject. I put a speedy deletion tag on it but it was removed. Either delete it or WP:DRAFTIFY it. We cannot even merge it to another relevant article because there is nothing there to begin with. Also, see the talk page.Tamsier (talk) 13:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not as a dab page (which it isn't), but as a navigational tool. It's a weird situation, with two countries each controlling parts of the territory, so this is preferable to copying info from their respective LGBT rights articles. A3 doesn't apply, since it refers to external links, not internal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarityfiend (talk • contribs)

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Delete - This and LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Why? Because this article is essentially a pseudo-disambiguation page between two pages (LGBT rights in Morocco and LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic), but only the Morocco article is meaningfully sourced. LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is supported by a single, non-RS database, which in turn provides as it's source a copy of the Sahrawi constitution in French (which nowhere mentions LGBT) and an article on LGBT rights in Morocco (which doesn't mention Western Sahara). A quick WP:BEFORE shows no other sources. Therefore, of the two articles that are disambiguated by this page one should be deleted for failing WP:GNG, so therefore there is no need for this page either. FOARP (talk) 17:28, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both this and LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Most of the latter article was copied and pasted from LGBT rights in Spain. I have removed the irrelevant sections and now there is hardly any meaningful content left. Esiymbro (talk) 06:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And what remains is sourced in Equaldex, which is not an WP:RS since it appears to be user-generated content and lacks an editorial team. FOARP (talk) 07:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Could this be redirected to LGBT rights in Africa? Thsmi002 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment— I agree with Esiymbro and FOARP.Tamsier (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus that this software fails WP:GNG. Just Chilling (talk) 12:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OpenQuote

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No external references. Its website seems to be dead. Rathfelder (talk) 11:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment for reference: Looks like OpenQuote has turned into a software suite called OpenUnderwriter which includes multiple elements, including OpenQuote. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can't find significant coverage in third-party sources (for either OpenQuote or OpenUnderwriter). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete Fails the GNG, and SIGCOV. ^Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 03:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination (NPASR). -- Scott Burley (talk) 23:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alizeh Shah

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Non-notable Pakistani actress, just 14 mentions on Google News. Bbarmadillo (talk) 11:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Created by a sock puppet account. --Bbarmadillo (talk) 11:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Appears to pass WP:NACTOR on the television and film credits shown in the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Author-requested G7 has already been carried out, so procedural close. (non-admin closure) — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

X as a Right

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The article seems to be OR, and it fails WP:GNG. Its subject is a phrase, or an acronym for the phrase, but none of the sources presented appear to use the phrase. I've searched for examples of usage, and found one or two examples that could potentially be illustrations of usage, but nothing that discusses the phrase itself. GirthSummit _(blether) 09:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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We would, I think, need to show that this phrase is used in scholarly discussions to keep this article.WaterwaysGuy (talk) 23:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
comment The author has requested that it be deleted on their talk page - could speedy delete as a G7? GirthSummit _(blether) 08:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per criterion G7. XOR'easter (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete per criterion G7. - MA Javadi (talk) 15:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as G7 per others. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep because request withdrawn by nominater (non-admin closure) CptViraj (📧) 12:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Niranjan Pujari

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Niranjan Pujari was created by Bijnorlion (Sockpuppet of Immirzakhan) on 11 May 2019. And the sockmaster Immirzakhan was banned in April. G5?
Reason for AfD : User talk:CptViraj#Speedy deletion contested: Niranjan Pujari.
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Keep First of all, CptViraj, G5 only applies when there are no substantial edits to the page by users that are not blocked/banned. The blocked user only created this, and since then there have been enough edits to say that G5 does not apply. Masum Reza seems to misunderstand G5 as well, because this page creation was in violation of the block (WP:BE). The subject is notable. --MrClog (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha! I withdraw deletion request. -- CptViraj (📧) 12:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Failure to meet notabilty standards with additional WP:COI and WP:NOTPROMO concerns. Just Chilling (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Divilly

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essentially advertising, and presumably coi and very possibly paid. If actually notable, should be started over by an uninvolved editor DGG ( talk ) 09:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete overly promotional article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. COI and PROMO concerns notwithstanding, and while I'm not perhaps ready to advocate a "keep" or "delete" either way, I am not personally sure GNG is met. I say this because, while there is clearly some coverage of the subject (including of the 2014 "young entrepreneurs" win), much of it wouldn't seem to meet the SIGCOV guidelines. Specifically, much of the coverage seems to be in non-national outlets like the Connacht Tribune and Galway Advertiser (the latter a regional freesheet). The coverage that is in national outlets seems either to be only indirectly related to the subject, or is not entirely independent of the subject. On the former ("subject not primary topic of coverage") for example, the piece in the Independent Health and Wellbeing supplement is more about paleo diets than the subject, and in the Irish Times piece the subject is mentioned among several other potential personal trainers. On the latter ("coverage not independent of subject"), pieces like the Business & Finance interview would seem to be Q&A/PR pieces published to coincide with the subject's press activity/book launches/etc. It may be that the article can be improved (to address the COI and PROMO issues). But, once we've removed all the uncited NOTCV stuff (about primary school and early interest in fitness), and tempered the uncited PROMO stuff (about having the best selling fitness book in Ireland), I'm not sure what is left. (Other than the shout-out from Facebook for being good at Facebook. And the award from the Galway business community for being good at business. And the two books. All of which are great. And laudable. But which are perhaps not particularly strong notability claims relative to this project's goals). The subject's listing on his PR/entertaintment agency's website is quite likely accurate. And he likely can be described as an "author and corporate speaker from Galway who features regularly in print media, radio and TV". Whether that meets this project's criteria I'm not sure either way.... Guliolopez (talk) 02:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Further comment. While still somewhat "on the fence", it is somewhat interesting to note that the article, in its current form, was substantively recreated from a previous incarnation. Which had been deleted as "unambiguous advertising or promotion". Guliolopez (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:COI, WP:NOTPROMO, fails WP:AUTHOR fails WP:SIGCOV. Page created by an SPA: [45] in 2015. Divilly is a Paleolithic diet guru (a large tribe inclined towards self-promotion.) His books do get mentioned by local press in feature articles on Paleo diets, but they were not reviewed, and the 2nd book was the subject of a feature story. Nice, for a small businessman, but I do not see that it makes him notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per and per E.M.Gregory. Spleodrach (talk) 05:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Very clear consensus that the subject meets WP:NPROF. Just Chilling (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Phillippa Jane Poole

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does not seem to meet WP:PROF or WP:GNG. DGG ( talk ) 08:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Being a Fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians [46] may be enough to qualify under WP:PROF#C3 and being head of the University of Auckland's School of Medicine may be enough under WP:PROF#C6, but neither seems very clear as far as notability is concerned (e.g. is the FRACP a highly exclusive fellowship? You do need training to get it [47]). IntoThinAir (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Regardless of the above considerations (which might separately be enough for notability) her 16 publications with over 100 citations each in Google Scholar gives her a pass of WP:PROF#C1. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep? Passes WP:Prof#C1 if this [48] link is correct. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]
(1)Fellow RCAP is similar to the UK equivalents, it essentially corresponds to being boardcertified in the US, and is not a particular honour. The training you need to get in is the same sort of training that gives a specialty certification in the US and nothing more. It's not even analogous to the US medical Fellowship, which is a subspecialty training after the board certification and that too isn't notable--in the usual inflationary pattern, every physician in NYC has a board certification--even the ones in the walk-in clinics. I think in the the UK etc. this may not be the case, and people practice as a generalist without a specialty qualification, but that would still mean that every specialist in the UK and similar countries would get an article--every neurologist, cardiologist, etc.

(2)Head of a department has never been accepted as notability. Normally all the senior people take it in turn. Dean of a medical scool is another matter , and we have generally considered that this qualifies

"(3)The very high references in GoogleScholar arefrom being a Cochrane reviewer. (or joint author of a similar review published elsewhere). The only research papers have citations of 60 or 70 at best. We do need to decide whether to include an article for every one of the reviewer-authors for /Cochrane. DGG ( talk ) 22:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comment. Could you expand on the issue with Cochrane, which is new to me?

Keep. She's head of the School of Medicine, not just a Department, and past president of the Internal Medicine Society of Australia and New Zealand WP:Prof#C6. I've also found some general coverage of her in reliable sources and added that. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She is a full professor at New Zealand's top-ranked university, such rank being (according to Academic ranks (Australia and New Zealand)#Teaching and research positions) equivalent to distinguished/endowed professor in most North American universities, thus passes WP:PROF#C5. Having been president of the Internal Medicine Society of Australia and New Zealand may also put her past WP:PROF#C6, depending on whether it is considered a major academic society. Being Head of School of Medicine would probably not be enough on its own, but adds to the other factors. FRACP is not significant. Nurg (talk) 10:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; as creator. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep abundant evidence of passing NPROF whether their leadership, society inclusion, or being full professor at a major national university. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think there's a decent case for WP:PROF#C6 and a good one for WP:PROF#C5. In addition, I see no reason not to count Cochrane reviews towards her citation record. Writing an influential review, like being the author of a standard textbook, is a way of shaping one's field. (Secondarily, there is the factor that one might only get invited to write such a review if one is already fairly well-established, but I don't think we need to start splitting those hairs here.) XOR'easter (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems to meet WP:NPROF as per Nurg and others. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - appears to meet WP:NPROF Bookscale (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Low traffic AfD. I am not seeing a clear consensus. The last comment was a week ago so I can't justify a 3rd relist. Just Chilling (talk) 13:01, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Odia film Policy

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WP:MILL government policy. Only coverage is routine. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 21:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as has significant coverage in national reliable sources already in the article, a government programme is normally notable Atlantic306 (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:MILL is an essay with no standing and so there is no case to answer. The topic seems reasonably notable as sources can be found in seconds. Andrew D. (talk) 08:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I read a consensus that the subject fails WP:GNG. Just Chilling (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eduard Badaluta

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The article was speedy deleted a year ago, recreated now, but I still do not see any notability. Ymblanter (talk) 07:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No works that I can see treating him with significance. Also happy to see a merge+redirect of the single sentence with an RS to the RE2 article. --Izno (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete total lack of significant coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 03:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is mentioned in two reputable news sources and his page is relatively popular. Being recognized for being a face model for a video game is a form of significance.

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The result was no consensus. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zim Blog Awards

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too soon to be able to determine notability--there have not even been any awards so far DGG ( talk ) 04:23, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The awards were launched and held last year at Moto Republik in Harare my fellow colleague DGG, i did a research and added more references that am sure Ceethekreator was to add. I believe in finding ways to improve a page before tagging for deletation, lets work on it as a team. It was just a matter of adding citations. Hurungudo (talk) 09:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On the fence; send to draft? On the one hand, we've got a newspaper source that says the awards were slated to happen last year. On the other, we have no source for the winners and no indication that there were 2019 awards. Frankly, I don't think the nominator has made a compelling argument to delete it, but I also don't think the article's current condition makes a compelling case to keep it. I almost think the best approach is to send this to draft space for incubation. If draft isn't an option, I'd rather keep it than delete it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, have added a source for the winners list.Hurungudo (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 20:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You Don't Speak for Me

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I can barely find any RS coverage of this organization (besides from groups like the ADL and SPLC that systematically collect hate groups, whether they are notable or not), and literally nothing about this organization in the last 10 years or so. The complete lack of RS coverage shows that there is nothing notable about this organization. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Lousy WP:BEFORE search, to paraphrase Nom, RS coverage shows that there is PLENTY notable about this organization. Article now sourced.A.Jacobin (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All the coverage of the group is limited to 2006 and 2007. It's a sub-org of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Whatever RS coverage there is of this group should be merged with the FAIR article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

first you claim "complete lack of RS coverage", so I run a simple search and add many reputable new stories form papers that include The Washington Post and The Arizona Republic. Now you claim that it should be merged because it was active only briefly. Frankly, I think that you simply DISLIKE this organizations political stance and are a POV editor who goes around deleting articles you DO NOT LIKE by making false assertions such as "I can barely find any RS coverage" when it is crystal clear that you didn't even try. A.Jacobin (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that editors have been warring over this page for years, and that there may well be reliable sources that were deleted. And also, I promise find/make time later in the week to improve the article, although I BELIEVE that the sourcing and edits that I did earlier this week make it a WP:GNG.A.Jacobin (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the article is well-sourced and persuades me that this is, or was, a notable protest organization.WaterwaysGuy (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Federation for American Immigration Reform - News searches produce a lot of false positives as "you don't speak for me" is a pretty common political statement, and gauging the extent to which this particular astroturf group has any notability is difficult. Let's just tie them back to the parent org. Simonm223 (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but ALL of the articles and books that I have added to the article address this particular organization. More sources here: [49] A.Jacobin (talk) 14:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but having a group of latinos who do astroturf for FAIR doesn't convey independent notability. Simonm223 (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep activity over two years (2006-2007) is sufficient to meet WP:SUSTAINED, significant coverage in multiple RS FOARP (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus that the topic fails WP:GNG. Being interesting, sadly,is not a valid ground for keeping. At a minimum, where an article is badly sourced, we need some evidence that sources are likely to be out there. Just Chilling (talk) 12:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Domino (car)

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Only references are to defunct Facebook pages. Not obviously notable and rather a lot of futurology. Rathfelder (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no sources or notability MaskedSinger (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Again, nothing comes up in Google, and it's quite clear that this fails WP:GNG. William2001^(talk) 21:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Facebook references? I think Facebook is not a good reference even if the page is not defunct. William2001^(talk) 21:21, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As a petrolhead I find this article interesting, I have never heard about these guys. Lack of links is not a reason for removal, lots of old/rare stuff is never mentioned on the Web. Mikus (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Given the age of the company and per Mikus' concerns, this very well could be a notable topic with plentiful offline references, e.g. book on minis. Would be helpful for a petrolhead with a petrollibrary to participate? Pegnawl (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to be convinced that its notable. But all articles need references - and they needn't be online. Rathfelder (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No indications of notability. Failure to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Haukur (talk) 08:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Alós-Ferrer

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Apart from being a professor, I can't anything that can be really significant about him and his work. Fails WP:GNG also. Meeanaya (talk) 06:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NPROF(1) - h-index of 26 per google scholar. Possibly also NPROF(8) for being editor in chief Journal of Economic Psychology (though it might not constitute as major - not sure). Icewhiz (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meet NPROF 1 and 8 for being highly cited and chief editor. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not prominent enough to appear on the RePEc listings of top Swiss or Spanish economists, but I think the citation record is good enough for #C1, and the editorship (#C8) seals the deal. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. Unanimity that this student blog is not notable. Just Chilling (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Leonardo's Notebook

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This article is about a local liberal blog that was published for three years by a student. Its claim to notability is that it was ‘consistently ranked in the top ten blogs of influence’ in the state by blognetnews.com and political net news.com, both now also defunct.

The rest of the content covers pretty trivial stuff, some of it with an apparent insider’s knowledge suggesting a close relationship between author and subject. Anyway overall this is about a student blog that once had a spat with another blog. Does not pass WP:WEBCRIT. Mccapra (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete.WaterwaysGuy (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Nomination. - MA Javadi (talk) 16:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sandstein 20:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lorenzo de Arrau

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Completely unsourced, Google shows mostly copies of this page. GorillaWarfare (talk) 04:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - much of this can be sourced - e.g. [50][51]. What's holding me off from a straight WP:NOTGENEALOGY !vote is that he authored a work - Arrau, Lorenzo de: Reconocimiento de las Plazas, Pertrechos y herramientas que se hallan en la frontera de este Reyno. Concepción, 10 de abril de 1769 which is still referenced by modern writers.[52][53] This is not presently in the article and may pass WP:NBOOK (and our subject might pass NAUTHOR) - but this require familiarity with Chilean sources that is beyond my purview (i.e. this may be an obscure travel log, or something that is beyond obscure). Icewhiz (talk) 05:56, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- the content we have at present is mere genealogy, but I suspect that there is more to his career, so that I am inclined to keep but tag for expansion. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno He is mentioned in a number of books about the founders/early settlers in Chile: [54] For example, the 2nd hit in that gBooks search Los Defensores del Rey, reads "Recuérdase en Chillán a doña Cruz Arrau y Santa María, hija de don Lorenzo de Arrau, oriundo de Cataluña, dueño de la gran estancia de Cato, y de doña Isabel de Santa María Escobedo. En la defensa de la ciudad realista colaboró ..." sourced, that is, to his daughter's recollections of him. Another descendant, Claudio Arrau, liked to boast of/write about this ancestor. So we do have a WP:NOTGENEALOGY problem.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Has his entry in the Diccionari dels catalans d'Amèrica, where he is described as military engineer. Genium . 00:56, Jul 24, 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. Does appear to be of reasonable significance in Spanish military history. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seems notable enough. Although the article needs expansion work with RS cites. Kierzek (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. For his activities in the Spanish Army he passes notability. Nikoo.Amini (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to 2014–15 Port Vila Premier League. Fenix down (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2014 TVL Smile Cup

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The competition doesn't seem to be notable with all of the match reports being linked to a different site altogether. HawkAussie (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC) HawkAussie (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge to the Vanuatu Premier League of the given season. The match reports need to be redacted, though, since the website they were linked to is now no longer in operation and has been taken over by an unrelated site. SportingFlyer T·C 04:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect/merge any salvageable content that can be sourced to 2014–15 Port Vila Premier League. Giant Snowman 08:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - nothing is sourced so nothing that can be merged. Just Chilling (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge If not delete. some of the content can be merged to 2014–15 Port Vila Premier League Alex-h (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Haukur (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Fortaleza

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Clearly fails WP:MUSICBIO. This is probably the only WP:RS used, but the rest are WP:SELFPUBLISHed. Not enough sources to meet GNG or MUSICBIO. Also, why does an article created 14 June 2019 have a maintenance tag for October 2018? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 03:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That maintenance tag was placed when the article was created (see here), possibly using a cut'n'paste of a pre-existing infobox, including its templates – there's also a dmy 'plate dated for January 2015. Note article creator (and major contributor) has same name as Fortaleza's Instagram and LinkedIn accounts. The user has been editing since May 2006.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teraplane (talk • contribs) 00:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not sufficient reliable sources to substantiate a claim to notability. Possibly a vanity piece/autobiography as article creator's name is same as subject's Instagram and LinkedIn accounts.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book store shoplifting

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Concern expressed at earlier AfD four years ago applies as much today if not more: reeks of original research and synthesis, draws very heavily on a handful of non-encyclopedic articles, and generally has no place here. No sign of potential for improvement. E Eng 03:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Shoplifting the little bit that is useful here to indicate they're commonly stolen and a mention of what the stores are doing to prevent it, leaving a redirect as well as an alternative to deletion. I agree, this really has a lot of problems, with the sources pretty much being local news events or opinion columns (WP:NOTNEWS). The compilation of information doesn't really articulate a theme here, either, appearing more like an indiscriminate collection of lists of events on the topic. I don't think it has enough weight to warrant a full article, but a mention in the shoplifting article of the reliable content, I think, is warranted. Red Phoenix ^talk 04:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. E Eng 05:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I'm changing my !vote because I'm convinced that XOR'easter's suggestion below has some merit to it. I don't disagree this is a poorly-worded article with a lot of issues; it was why I suggested a merge to begin with. That being said, renaming the article and refactoring it (noting I would go further than just the lead as suggested) is actually a solid idea. I could support an article on book theft with this as the base to that. But, for all that to happen, we'll have to have that discussion after this AFD is settled first. Red Phoenix ^talk 23:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Nothing has changed that would make me change my stance from 2015. Still keep per WP:GNG. BabbaQ (talk) 08:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nomination just repeats the previous nomination and so is vexatious per WP:DELAFD, "It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hope of getting a different outcome." It is easy to find more substantial sources on the topic including Beatrix Potter-pinching and Žižekian swipes: the strange world of book thefts and Stealing Books in Eighteenth-Century London. See WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE; WP:IMPERFECT; WP:NOTCLEANUP; WP:PRESERVE, &c. Andrew D. (talk) 08:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as WP:NOTTEMPORARY, stand by what I said in previous afd, a tad disappointed that article has not developed more of a world view ("well coola, what's stopping you?":)) but this is no reason to delete. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:GNG per its WP:RS. XavierItzm (talk) 12:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Neither a keep nor a merge would be terrible outcomes, I think. Shoplifting seems too narrow a term; it would be easier to argue for the wiki-notability of book theft more generally. For example, not all the conduct described in The Man Who Loved Books Too Much [55] would necessarily be called "shoplifting", strictly speaking. XOR'easter (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a new article called Book theft (see Library theft, the Canadian Medical Association Journal article "People who steal books", etc.) and a little bit into Shoplifting. IMO, the topic is a bit too narrow for a standalone article. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:18, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I could support this proposed merger as well, though this would take some time to assemble correctly. Red Phoenix ^talk 22:23, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think even just changing the title to Book theft and refactoring the lead a bit would help a lot. XOR'easter (talk) 23:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep oddball topic, but the sourcing on the page establishes that it is a coherent topic, and it passes WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it's weird, but from my experience as a bookseller at Barnes and Noble, it's a unique and serious problem. Bearian (talk) 16:03, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Turion

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Delete per WP:2DABS. Turion (botany) should be the primary topic, as the originator of the word. The AMD Turion was codenamed as such from the word. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: no indication that the botanical use is the Primary Topic. Page views suggest 14 a day for botany, 54 a day for AMD: not overwhelming either way. PamD 10:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. My reading of the discussion is that this is crap, but it's crap that WP:RS have written about. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:23, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gemmotherapy

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Pro-fringe article tagged for notability since February 2016 and last edited (up to the AfD tagging) in 2017. I did not try WP:BEFORE, but the tagging user (Delta13C, renamed to Dino monster just before vanishing) did, and from the titles alone I can immediately tell that all the sources are likely fringe as well. Mainstream analysis demanded since September 2011. (Delta13C found no evidence of mainstream sources.) The lack of edits, as well as being an orphan, is a sign that this alternative treatment is not notable. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ – Firstly, LaundryPizza03 it is an obligation as the nominator to do at least a simple WP:BEFORE. The assertion that someone has done it simply isn't enough. Now, by looking on Google News, you see a lot of news articles—that were made after the notability tag was put onto the article. However, Google Books has the most sources and most are pre-2016. As a few examples, I've found this source that satisfies GNG and looks reliable plus directly referencing this gemmotherapy because I'm half-convinced that there are a few (smaller than this) studies by the name from sifting through google. I've also found this but it's not as solid a source. Anyhow, as you sift further you find more and more sources, this source even asserting there are hundreds of European sources available, but most of them aren't in English. I'm 90% sure that these refer to the same gemmotherapy in the article, but only in one am I fully sure. All in all, there are plenty of sources; it just needs to be expanded. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 03:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Change to ~~Neutral~~ upon further reflection. Will look more. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 03:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete as all there seems to be are fringe scientists writing books, a Tasmanian family, and Fox News. Sure there's some reliable source among the several hundred asserted but I don't have the time to find it. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 03:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One of the sources is the Pharmacopée Francaise, which seems to be mainstream (now replaced by the European Pharmacopoeia). Is there significant coverage or just a mention? Peter James (talk) 16:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per sources here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemmoth%C3%A9rapie#Notes_et_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rences
Keep. As a lot of things in herbal medicine, this may not be scientifically proven, but passes WP:GNG based on publications noted on the page and during this AfD. Even simple Google search for books [56] shows the subject is clearly notable. My very best wishes (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Looks to be notable even if its fringe and needs some improvement.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was kept and merged with Old Railway Station Museum. This is a content determination, not a title determination. If that result is disputed, it should be through Wikipedia:Requested moves. bd2412 T 17:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

La Estacion Theme Park

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I found no significant coverage. A claim to notability is that it is historic, but I can find no proof of that. SL93 (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I believe the article as written, that it is a public attraction which includes a railway museum and more. And I tend to believe it is historic too, probably a railway museum would be located in a historic train station. See the very excellent essay wp:ITSAPUBLICATTRACTION and wp:ITSAMUSEUM. This appears to be notable and we keep these. --Doncram (talk) 00:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But sure, it could/should be tagged about inline sources being needed. But neither the nominator nor I have done a proper search using Spanish language and other local languages, using proper names for the place. The nominator is just not happy with the state of current sourcing; they essentially wp:IDONTLIKEIT without really questioning its existence and its notability. Or they want to force cleanup right now, but wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. --Doncram (talk) 00:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- So you admitted you found no notability either for this article that has been sitting unsourced since 2005. Get over yourself and assuming stuff. SL93 (talk) 00:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Fuck essays too. SL93 (talk) 00:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, I did not say I searched and found nothing; I did not even try to do a proper search. But sure there are lots of hits immediately on La Estacion Aguascalientes, including about a restaurant and a whole barrio. I don't read Spanish easily and I am not trying to sort out about the historic train station for which everything is named, and about the museum which may no longer exist. But once notable always notable.
    About your suggestion to "fuck essays", well I think wp:CIVILITY is more fundamental, and with language like that you are offending me and probably others. Anyhow wp:ITSAPUBLICATTRACTION essay in particular is written as a shorthand way to respond to idiotic, uninformed AFDs. Not saying this AFD is one, or that you personally are idiotic and uninformed, so don't go attacking me about wp:PERSONALATTACKS either. Essays are helpful in communicating within AFDs and elsewhere, even ones I don't personally agree with, because they can communicate much more what someone's position is. Instead of writing out the same stuff again and again in ~~response to idiotic, ill-informed AFDs~~ AFDs which are cumulatively repetitive. --Doncram (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 00:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Oh please. You were certainly not being civil even without using such words and offended me. So how about I break it down for you - "The nominator is just not happy with the state of current sourcing" - There is no sourcing. "they essentially wp:IDONTLIKEIT without really questioning its existence and its notability." - I actually did question its notability. So, fuck essays, especially ones that you claim are "very excellent" and that you started. SL93 (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)4[reply]
      - "There is no sourcing"??? I simply don't believe you. Sure, there is no sourcing currently included in the article, but that is not at all a valid reason to delete an article. Given that you and I both probably believe that there was a historic train station in "La Estacion" neighborhood, and that there is or was a theme park including a railway museum, I am 100% certain that sourcing about it exists, maybe off-line, maybe in Spanish, but it has certainly been written about. So there is good reasoning to believe that sourcing exists, so this should be closed "Keep" as it is, or even "Speedy keep" because there is no valid deletion argument.
        Yep, I am proud to have mostly created that essay, and another one or two, that have survived MFD attempts to delete them. You double-down with your language, which really does actually offend me. --Doncram (talk) 00:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        Why should I when you came in with false accusations blazing? SL93 (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        
        I would have been perfectly fine with your Keep vote if you didn't try to turn it into me having a vendetta. SL93 (talk) 00:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        
        "So there is good reasoning to believe that sourcing exists, so this should be closed "Keep" as it is, or even "Speedy keep" because there is no valid deletion argument." - I have been in many AfDs in the past 10 years. That is so not how AfD works. SL93 (talk) 00:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        AFDs are about determining if topics are notable, i.e. whether sourcing exists somewhere, not about the current state of an article.
        Why should you not use profanity? Well, because you are offending me by that profanity. Why should you not use profanity repeatedly, when you have been informed that it is offending someone? Well to avoid appearing to be a jerk. And you should care about CIVILITY and community and all that. This AFD process is a community process, and in a small way you are abusing that process and offending editors (or at least me) and contributing to the decline of Wikipedia. So, no offense, I am tending towards concluding "what a jerk" and walking away, though I will try to be open-minded that you might possibly have a point about something or another. However currently I do believe that there is no validity to this AFD nomination, so it is tending to drag down my impression of you. This is getting too personal, in both directions, so I will probably respond less or not at all from now on. Enjoy your vitriole. --Doncram (talk) 00:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        That is funny because that is what I concluded when you turned it into me having a vendetta against the article (which is also uncivil, also with no apology). If it helps, I doubt that the article is even 100% truthful or truthful at all with no sources since 2005. SL93 (talk) 01:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        
        If the notability guideline isn't enough to explain my position, is the policy WP:V enough? SL93 (talk) 01:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am also struggling to find sources that show notability. The Old Railway Station Museum already has a Wikipedia article. There is also this article in The Architect's Newspaper which certainly would be the basis of an interesting and notable article. However, I can't be sure if the Museo Espacio is actually the subject of the La Estacion Theme Park article, or if they are separate developments in Aguascalientes. Railfan23 (talk) 00:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Some further research finds a lot of reliable sources for the existence and notability of Museo Espacio in Aguascalientes. My guess (for whatever it's worth) is that the La Estacion Theme Park may have been the first attempt at creating what is now called the Museo Espacio. So my recommendation is that we delete the La Estacion Theme Park article and create a new Museo Espacio article from sources. Railfan23 (talk) 01:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry. that is a ridiculous suggestion. The facts you suggest are motivation for a rename/move/update, not for deletion. And please consider wp:ATD, that we are obligated to look for alternatives to deletion. Not to violate Wikipedia policy about contributions and delete stuff, only to recreate it later without credit to original contributors. --Doncram (talk) 01:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wow, what have I done to deserve that sort of hostility? I made an honest suggestion. Whoever decides to close this "Article for discussion" (emphasis added) can decide whether the suggestion is a good one or not. The article as it stands is unverifiable and in its current state is not notable. Given that, I believe it should be deleted and not renamed/moved, unless reliable sources can be found to show that Museo Espacio is indeed the same thing as La Estacion Theme Park. I was quite deliberate in not suggesting that we redirect or move the article because the connection between the two is my original research so is not a valid basis for making a decision. I just thought it was interesting that there might be a connection. Railfan23 (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - Okay, yes, Railfan23, I am sorry I was bitey towards you; for some reason I was in a pretty crabby mood. Separate from this AFD, I have been cumulatively irritated by other AFDs that advocated for deletion of a thing invoking wp:TNT, only for the thing to be recreated because it is obviously notable, and in the process violating Wikipedia's Gnu Public License or whatever is our current license with contributors (more about this in essay wp:TNTTNT which I started). Here, you didn't argue "TNT" specifically but it seemed superficially similar. Please accept my apology for putting your reasonable comment in the same box as some previous TNT-arguers and for my blasting out in your direction, inappropriately. Thank you for contributing here, instead (and thank you likewise to Uncle G also). Your point that you were not sure of the relationship between the two things is quite reasonable, too. And in fact it looks to me now like Museo Espacio is a different thing, and that La Estacion Theme Park ought to be moved/renamed to Complejo Tres Centurias instead. --Doncram (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Since I maybe didn't make myself clear in my nomination somehow, my issues are WP:N and WP:V, a guideline and a policy. SL93 (talk) 01:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps with the search for sources, this is the es:Museo Ferrocarrilero de Aguascalientes and the es:Complejo Tres Centurias in the es:Barrio de la Estación (Aguascalientes). Railfan23, you are the one person doing the right thing here. Keep at it. ☺ Although if an article can be renamed and rewritten, that is something that any editor with an account can do, no administrator tools required. It is even possible, I have heard, to do it whilst an AFD discussion is going on. Uncle G (talk) 19:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/merge per WP:ATD; WP:BITE; WP:PRESERVE, &c. Here's an English-language source which seems relevant: Recognition of industrial heritage in Aguascalientes, Mexico. I can only see the first page but it may help us forward. Andrew D. (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Merging or keeping would be fine if we could verify the article. SL93 (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The Old Railway Station Museum article has a title sounding like it must be in Cleveland or some other place in the U.S. It was created in ancient times, 12 October 2005, by i.p. editor 12.144.179.218 at a name which is apparently a translation, but that was a poor decision and/or should be revisited. Like we have Museo del Prado not "Prado Museum". IMO it should be moved/renamed to some name reflecting better its actual name and/or usage in guidebooks and other sources, perhaps "Museo Ferrocarrilero de Aguascalientes" or some name reflecting "Estacion", depending. It is not even wikilinked from its mention in List_of_museums_in_Mexico#Aguascalientes because no one would expect that the Wikipedia article name would be so different. It was only just now wikilinked from La Estacion Theme Park article by Railfan.

The "La Estacion Theme Park" article was created also on 12 October 2005‎ also by editor 12.144.179.218, who judged it was a different thing than the museum. It seems to me to correspond to the Spanish wikipedia article es:Complejo Tres Centurias, which is about a complex, "un parque temático ubicado en el Barrio de la Estación de la Ciudad de Aguascalientes", and it includes the plaza, "La Plaza de las Tres Centurias". Maybe in fact there was in 2005 promotion of an official "La Estacion Theme Park" name for the complex including the plaza, or maybe that was the i.p. editor's attempt to compose an English translation of what they thought the name should be, while locally it was then and/or now more known as "Complejo Tres Centurias". IMO the plaza itself could possibly merit an article, but would be better covered in a larger article about the complex. It would probably be good now for the "La Estacion Theme Park" article to be moved/renamed to "Complejo Tres Centurias" or "Tres Centurias Complex" or the like. The proper AFD outcome for that would be "Keep", with recommendation that it also be moved/renamed or with recommendation that a wp:RM be opened to consider that move. ("Move/rename" alone is not a proper AFD outcome; it is not an option tracked in wp:AFDSTATS; "Keep" properly describes the action of keeping the content, and moving/renaming is an editing decision like other editing to be decided at Talk page of the article.) --Doncram (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge in Old Railway Station Museum; no need for two permastubs and this way we can get one respectable page. Just Chilling (talk) 01:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the Article with a main Article as Old Railway Station Museum.Forest90 (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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