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Ledes

That's what ledes do. They repeat the most important stuff from what's in the article below them. (Same as infoboxes). Look at the Derek Jeter article for example .. it mentions when he debuted, not his call up date, but its much the same .. and look at all the other info repeated in his lede from the text below it. --2604:2000:E010:1100:9848:50A0:48B3:889B (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jonathan Estrada (baseball) (June 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Legacypac was:
This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines for sports persons and athletes, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
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He needs to play in a major league game first. As soon as you can show that page can be approved
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Deprodding of Ben LeCompte

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Ben LeCompte, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, proposed deletion is disallowed on articles that have previously been de-prodded, even by the page's creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{proposed deletion}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Niles Scott moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Niles Scott, does not yet appear to be notable. Being on the active roster does not mean he will play in a game which would impute presumed notability per WP:NGRIDIRON. I have moved to draft. If he plays on Sunday (or a future Sunday) the article can be moved back. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's no problem, I created the page because most articles about him being signed to the active roster implied that he would most likely play on Sunday due to injuries on the Bengals Defensive Line but also agree he doesn't meet notability standards if he doesn't see the field. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 16:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Great job on Ryan Neal! Meatsgains(talk) 01:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Well-written and notable/interesting article. I've made a few minor copy-edits, such as adding attribution to the claim "one of the best safety prospects in the nation," but nothing at all major. You should consider doing a Did You Know out of this one.

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SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus still loves you

Will you focus on conduct regarding your previous comment? We are on the same level here. John1427 (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BEFORE

Hi GPL93 - Thanks for your action on cleaning up non-notable basketball figures. However, I’d like to ask that you brush up on WP:BEFORE and WP:GNG. Some of the figures you are WP:PRODing (like Lourawls Nairn Jr. and Jason Richards (basketball)) seem to easily meet Wikipedia’s general notability guideline (GNG, linked above). It is possible that the articles aren’t well-written or adequately sourced, but these are issues that can be easily corrected. Your responsibility of the nominator is to do some basic research on the subject before nominating for deletion. Also, I’d like to encourage you to use WP:AFD over WP:PROD in cases where notability is borderline. This would make it more likely for the necessary improvements to be made to articles because it would allow for a discussion. In many cases, depending on how the article is tagged, PROD deletes without any discussion whatsoever. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Billy Hathorn

Unfortunately, I don't think there's an easy answer to his content. He tried — hoo boy, did he ever try — to consistently reference bomb his articles hard enough that notability would never be questioned at all, but obviously it didn't work. If you check the history of his contributions at AFD, he genuinely seemed to think that all you had to do to establish an article as permanently notable was to show that they had received a journalist-written obituary in the local newspaper upon their death — so if he could find one of those, he'd smother the rest of the referencing in garbage like what Malcolm Hebert is swimming in, in the hopes that the number of footnotes would prevent anybody from actually quality-testing any of them. And on top of that, a lot of his articles contained outright copyright violations, which were difficult to detect because he was cut-pasting offline sources. And even then, what really got him banned wasn't so much that behaviour itself, but the fact that he started turning to sockpuppetry to storm the ramparts when his stuff started consistently failing AFD tests.

So unfortunately, all I can suggest is to make a judgement call, as you come across a Billy Hathorn special, as to whether PROD or AFD fits what you're looking at better. Bearcat (talk) 03:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat thanks for the advice, I'm sure I'll come across a bunch of these and use my discretion going forward. I just hope that someday I can be as passionate about something as much as Billy Hathorn was about minor figures in Louisiana political history. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add to this, theres a list of articles he contributed to here, which is full of several 1000s of articles similar to the ones you've sent to afd. Feel free to nominate some of the ones here, as it would make cleaning up his mess far easier.💵Money💵emoji💵💸 17:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace source for basketball articles?

Where are you getting birthplaces for the basketball player articles you create? I suspect that in many cases you are using their “hometown” not their birthplace (I’m always skeptical when the birthplace and high school city are the same). This seems to be the case with Jamal Jones (basketball) (the true birthplace was listed in his college bio). Be careful, many sites like RealGM just use the hometown (where a player lives) as birthplace (where they were born) and as a result are wrong a lot of the time. If in doubt, leave the birthplace field blank. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2 I will do going forward. I had been going with RealGM mostly but if I can't verify through a different source I'll leave it blank. Thanks for the advice. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Half kidding

(yes, I sorta am aware of some of the creation history here). Maybe you should write WP:Shreveport? e.g. - any biographical that mentions Shreveport more than twice is presumed not notable unless well-grounded national sources are produced? Icewhiz (talk) 16:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Icewhiz: I have jokingly proposed that there should be a deletion-sort for Louisiana politicians before. I actually started out trying to root out promo articles clearly written by campaigns and taking out similar language that was clearly added by staffers (my career background is mostly in campaign/political communications so maybe I consider it some act of pennance) and I fell into all these articles by Hathorn. Pretty much if there isn't any real claim of notability, such as being involved in a scandal that generates coverage, I'll leave them be but if most of the articles I nominate for deletion are the ones that are very poorly sourced with obits and Google searches and personal assurances from the author. Its also usually easy to find clumps at a time because usually they are all connected via narrow categories or linked into each others pages. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Findlay Prep alumni has been nominated for discussion

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Elenora A. Cawthon

Hi. Per discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Ardis Cawthon, I have created an article on his wife, Elenora. I wanted to let you know, as you submitted that AfD. I'm also pinging another interested editors from that discussion, @RebeccaGreen:. Let me know at the talk page for Elenora if you have any concerns that should be dealt with there. All the best, Smmurphy(Talk) 19:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Smmurphy: Looks fine to me, great job. My problem with the article, as is with most by Billy Hathorn, is that the sourcing was so incredibly bad that even if the subject did meet notability standards you'd more or less have to start from scratch with reliable sources to prove it. You did exactly that. Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I try not to get drawn into fixing problems like those created by Hathorn. For some reason in this case I decided to try to get involved in a fix. But since creating the article was somewhat contravenant to an AfD, I felt it was ethical to let the AfD submitter (and the other editor interested in fixing the page) know. Smmurphy(Talk) 20:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you!

Thanks for your meatpuppet fighting in the EMJ afds.

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@Pythoncoder: No problem. I spent some time in grad school studying fringe-ideology and how they interact online and communicate so and hate when Wikipedia articles are used for promotion so this subject was incredibly in my wheelhouse. At least one of the socks identified another promotional article that is now up for AfD by making an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument so I guess it wasn't a total loss maybe? Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

E.J. Speed moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, E.J. Speed, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 19:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dreamy Jazz: added source establishing Speed as an NFL draft selection. I'll be building it out over the weekend. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
GPL93, Ok. In future I suggest that before creating/moving to mainspace you have a couple of sources to support what you write. Just so that it isn't sent to deletion etc. before you have properly created the article. I tend to create the draft in my userspace or in draft space first and then move it to mainspace when I think it would survive an AfD. Happy editing, Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 19:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to move it back to mainspace when its ready. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 19:50, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Jackson removal Honorable-mention)

Hi, why did you remove the honorable-mention from the Infobox ?, these have always been included and should be kept.Tecmo (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tecmo: per WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT, honorable mentions aren't included in the infobox. I usually make sure to make note that a player received an honorable mention in his "college career" section, though.

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Drey Jameson

Saw you were apart of the discussion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brennan Malone and was wondering if you could look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drey Jameson. I've redirected it since I posted on there since he signed. Thanks! Malmmf (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Malmmf: I think it should have the same outcome, if Jameson passes WP:GNG by receiving above-average coverage as a minor leaguer or obviously if he makes the majors then it should be flexed out to its own article. Post-draft I think its necessary for these articles to be created for at least all first round picks, with the possible exception of competitive balance and compensatory picks, because the players will be searched by fans wanting to know more about who their team just drafted but many don't have the overall notability to stand as independent articles. It's definitely an odd practice, but it's really the only way to handle the MLB draft situation. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 2019

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@Tobias Epos You very clearly only get one vote in deletion discussions. Its common practice to strike out Multiple votes by the same editor while keeping the comment to help avoid confusion for other editors. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your information. What did you mean with "notable faculty"? Wikipedia:Notability (people) does not use this term, but says: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Tobias Epos (talk) 23:00, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tobias Epos I meant the redirect to the "notable professors" section of the St. Mary's College article, these sections (which are sometimes labelled "notable faculty") are used to list members of the institutions faculty that already have articles and therefore meet Wikipedia's notability standards. As I point out it the discussion, an AFD and a further review determined that Jones did not meet notability standards and therefore is not to be included in the "notable professors" section of the St. Mary's article. I am also wondering why you would post this article in response to Rosguill's notice on your talk page. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

If not for now, then for later. signed, Rosguill talk 01:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosguill: Thanks. I studied and wrote a paper in grad school about the online behavior and tendencies of far/alt-right and conspiracy theorist communities and their members so I guess cases like the E. Michael Jones saga are kind of in my wheelhouse. I had a bad feeling after the original deletion that we had not seen the end of it. Best, GPL93 (talk) 01:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Ky Bowman

Deals need to be announced officially - by the team or league - before WP is updated. The Warriors haven’t announced Bowman either via the parent club or the G League club. Rikster2 (talk) 23:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2: noted, although I believe that he and Amir Hinton are currently signed to Exhibit 10 contracts, which are not the same as summer league invites and place the players under the control of their respective organizations if not technically on the the roster itself for at least the preseason. The fact that the G League side of the bonus kicks in after being waived by the NBA team strongly indicates that they should be considered members of the organization that they signed with and not simply just non-roster invitees to participate in Summer League. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:30, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, but an Exhibit 10 doesn’t carry a roster spot and could as easily be a Santa Cruz only contract - we don’t know. But that standard to update on WP is a team announcement anyway. None has occurred in Bowman’s case. That was my point Rikster2 (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rikster2: I understand that about the two-way announcement but they are still tied to the organization that they signed with and are not free agents. This is probably a topic for discussion on the NBA WikiProject but they should at least be noted as being connected to the team that they have a contract with, even if it doesn't have a roster spot attached to the contract. Maybe follow the protocol for non-roster invitees and minor leaguers in baseball and identify that they are with X team in the lead and infobox, but not put team and years play for in the infobox given that they are not rostered players? Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is not current consensus, so yes it would require a specific change at WP:NBA. Third party reports of signings aren’t used at all, so not sure why we’d make an exception for fringe cases like this. He doesn’t have to be listed as a free agent if that’s the issue. Rikster2 (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know it's not and I understand why we don't use third party sources, but yes I don't think that exhibit 10 players should be listed as free agents because it's not accurate. Either way it should be brought up at WP:NBA just so that a consensus is formed and used correctly going forward given the Exhibit 10 is a relatively new concept that (as I think we can both agree) puts players in an odd middle ground and just to avoid further confusion. Also unrelated but excellent work on Daulton Hommes. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rikster2: after bringing it to the talk page I think you're right, much as I hate that there is this weird gray area where players are not actually free agents there isn't much in the ways of confirming exhibit 10's because generally speaking teams don't announce them or undrafted free agent signings unless its a two-way. I'm sure there are some cases where there are enough non-team independent sources to confirm a exhibit 10 or non-guaranteed contract its just too hard to identify all of them. Probably best to just wait until preseason camp rosters are announced. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:49, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsideration/Opinion

Hello, I hope all is well, I'm new to Wikipedia as you may know and I started with a few articles that were up for deletion. Please see my contributions. I saw that you voted "Delete" for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bijan Zamani since then I edited and added new references (sources) and now interviews are not the sources and nothing promotional is on the page. since the points that you said is now taken care of can you reconsider your vote? If no can you explain how to improve this article?

Kind regards, Blake - Blake44 (talk) 09:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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