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Eric Jay and title "The Church"

Jay's The Church: its changing image through twenty centuries John Knox (1980) was first published by SPCK in two volumes (1977,1978) and there seems to be a numbering difference of a page or so between them. I have completed the title and adjusted the page numbering in some of the references given to the 1980 edition, but have not touched those dated 1977/8. -— Jpacobb (talk) 02:15, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apostolic succession and the Church of Denmark

I was surprised to see this passage in the article:

Of note is the fact that at least one of the Scandinavian Lutheran Churches in the Porvoo Communion of Churches, the Church of Denmark has bishops, but strictly speaking they were not in the historic apostolic succession prior to their entry into the Porvoo Communion, since their episcopate and holy orders derived from Johannes Bugenhagen, who was a pastor, not a bishop. In 2010, the Church of Denmark joined the Porvoo Communion of Churches, after a process of mutual consecrations of bishops had led to the introduction of historic apostolic succession.

As far as I know, no such process of mutual consecrations has taken place, and I am unable to find any information to corroborate this claim. The Church of Denmark generally claims *not* to possess apostolic succession and tends to be rather dismissive of any attempt to claim that such a "mechanical" succession is necessary, or even desirable – even to the point of some priests objecting to the participation of clergy within the traditional apostolic succession in the laying on of hands at their ordination – so it would be very surprising if the Danish bishops had submitted to "process of mutual consecrations of bishops" to introduce apostolic succession – indeed, I'm pretty sure they would consider the very idea of such a process insulting. Moreover, the Church of Denmark in its accession to Porvoo published a letter saying that it insists on the fact that when a bishop is unavailable, the archdeacon ("domprovst", the senior priest at the cathedral) can fill in for the bishop and validly perform his duties, including the ordination of new priests, even if he is not himself a bishop. I think this statement is misleading at best, and likely false. It certainly needs to be supported by references. --Pinnerup (talk) 08:32, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Scandinavian Lutherans

Scandinavian Lutheran do, as far as I know, not claim apostolic succession to be necessary. It may be a historical fact that it's been kept after the reformation, but there's nothing in the doctrinal or theological foundations of these churches that would make apostolic succession necessary.1700-talet (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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