Talk:Adrenaline/Archive 4

Price

Current price in major EN speaking countries IMO is notable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

that is the price for the whole autoinjector + drug, not just for the drug. the price is discussed extensively in epineprine autoinjector. Jytdog (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes agree. But that is the common form it is sold for. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I guess for consumers, yes. volume-wise i have no idea if more epinephrine is used for anaphylaxis readiness vs the other uses. about this, the generic product is not a generic of epipen, but of a different device. fwiw. Jytdog (talk) 05:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is a generic version of an autoinjector correct? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

yes it is. the issues are: a) Mylan announced it intended to bring a generic version of their own device (!) as one of their strategies to address the pricing outrage. They haven't yet. (discussed a bit here) Just saying "generic" might mislead people to think there is a generic EpiPen available now. b) changing from one device to another is non-trivial - the user has to be trained in whatever device they are using and outcomes are way better when people get good training (per this).

So the two devices for which we are offering prices are different in a way that matters, and there is the larger society&culture issue of the actual generic of EpiPen.

Please note I am not demanding that we restore the words to make it clear that the prices apply to two different devices; am just explaining why I added it in the first place. We can let this go. Jytdog (talk) 04:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Undefined reference errors

There's 2 undefined ref errors (see Epinephrine#References) that cite content in the Epinephrine#Society and culture section. I don't feel like going through the article history to find the right revisions to fix this at the moment, so I'm posting this thread in the event anyone is interested in doing so to replace the undefined named references. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 00:11, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Split drug from hormone (December 2016)

Have split into Epinephrine and Epinephrine (medication). There is also a suggestion to have the physiological info at Adrenaline and the medication related content at Epinephrine. Not sure if the literature support the latter suggestion? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

agree with split. I've put a matching hatnote in Epinephrine (medication).

Naming this one adrenalin might help avoid people putting content into the wrong article. (but that might just be a UK POV) - Rod57 (talk) 20:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not just a UK POV. Apart from the Malay, Tagalog, Scots and simple English one, every other Latin-/Cyrillic-script Wikipedia uses "adrenaline" or equivalent spellings as the main name, hinting at how near-universal the term is at least in the non-medical sense. As a non-native speaker, I had never heard of epinephrine until I read this article. The argument to name the article based on the INN has been weak in the past, as the primary meaning is adrenaline/epinephrine as a neurotransmitter rather than a drug. This gets even weaker after the split. I favor moving this article to adrenaline. The drug-related article can then be moved to this title. Don Cuan (talk) 12:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Most of the archives of this talk page and some of the comments above (eg price) relate to the medication rather than the hormone. Can we somehow transfer or copy the related talk page content to Talk:Epinephrine (medication) ? or at least note there that the talk is here ? I'll leave a brief comment there but I expect there is a proper/better way to do it. - Rod57 (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure transfer away. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:42, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Title

@Doc James: Did Epinephrine previously redirect to Adrenaline or Epinephrine (medication)? The textbooks I've come into contact with call Adrenaline Epinephrine, so I would have thought it would be the main target. This article might then be named Epinephrine (medication) again or "Epinephrine as medication". – Thjarkur (talk) 15:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I have no strong feelings about the naming. We could leave it at "epinephrine", we could move it to "epinephrine (medication)", we could move it to "adrenaline (medication)". Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, had just been wondering about the original title. Most of the incoming links are referring to the hormone, so I suppose I'll move this one. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Still think epinephrine should redirect to adrenaline as it appears to have done originally, since they're synonyms and most incoming links are referring to the hormone. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2019 (UTC)