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Bulldogge Brasileiro was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 28 July 2019 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Bulldog type. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Comment

See Talk:Bulldog for discussion of article naming. Elf | Talk 16:00, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Source for the jaw claim?

I suspect the "vice" jaw stuff is utter nonsense. The pitbull manages excellent bitepower with a conventionally arranged jaw. What proof have we that the jaw of authentic bulldogs projected?

My theory is that this is tripe cooked up by modern English bulldog-fanciers to connect their dogs with the original breed.

Seconded. BulldogPete 22:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need work

This page is fraught with POV and needs some serious work. Would be great if a professional breeder or someone familiar with breed characteristics/show criteria could improve page,--RexRex84 21:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bullmastiff

Could/should the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullmastiff bullmastiff be included? Delete this sentence if assuredly not.

Old Roman bull-dog

I am removing the following section for being unreferenced:

===[[Old Roman Bull-Dog]]===

Dave Coleman of Virginia has created the Old Roman Bull-Dog, in an attempt to recreate the fighting dog, attested in various Classical sources as coming from Gaul or Britain. He has acquired the genetic makeup from proven working stock to reproduce what he thinks these dogs once were - An oversized, giant framed Bull-Dog that can work, play, guard and are companions.

To return it, please provide a source to verify what is stated ... not just Mr. Coleman's claims about his breed, but also that the breed actually exists. I also think this section reads as something of an advertizement for Mr. Coleman and his breed (it talks more about Mr. Coleman than the dogs) so some re-writing may be needed. Blueboar (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC) CORRECTION- DAVE COLEMAN DID NOT CREATE THE OLD ROMAN BULLDOGGE. HE MIXED HERMES OLDE BULLDOGGES TO A MIXED LOW QUALITY NEAPOLITAN MASTIFF HYBRID INTO A RANDOM POOL OF GENETICS TO TRY AND CREATE THE ULTIMATE BULLDOG. HIS PROGRAM LACKS REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, AND VERY LOW CONSISTENCY IN PRODUCED OFFSPRING. TO MAKE A CLAIM THAT HE HAS CREATED SOMETHING OF SUCH A TITLE IS A UNTRUE STATEMENT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.245.67 (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible inclusion of two breeds

I think that two more breeds from Brazil should be included, the Campeiro Bulldog and the Serrano Bulldog. If this could be done, that would be all of the major breeds of this type.Malcolmlucascollins (talk) 02:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I re-worked the article

@Montanabw, Elmidae, Jts1882, Atsme, Elf, Andrew Davidson, Reywas92, and Aquataste: To all those who have voted or remarked on the AfD page [1] so far:

I re-worked the lede to give an overview of "What is a bulldog breed?" and "What is the current real life interest in bulldog breeds?" Then I added a few lists that link to other dog breed pages, explaining what each list was about.
I recommend removing most of the breed summaries and images that are below the lists. (I did not remove them without concensus that the format I made above those summaries is sufficient for the page.)
I recommend adding to the gallery a small collection of photos of the various bulldog breeds. That way, someone glancing at the gallery can see the similarities of the 'type'.
Note that Bulldogge Brasileiro is actually re-directed to this article and its text and image was removed on 6 August 2019. So we'll have to make accommodation for it somehow. In the meantime, I pasted it back into the article.
Take a look at the changes. Please add below your ideas and/or comments.

— Nomopbs (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see that, and you added back unsourced and poorly sourced material that I removed. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Atsme: The solution to 'unsourced and poorly sourced material' is to tag it as such or do some research and add some citations, not to delete the content with an edit summary of "not officially recognized breeds, fails GNG, V and OR" (which contradicts WP:NOTEWORTHY). I recovered that content so that it can be improved or incorporated correctly. Per another AfD completed just 11 days ago, [2] it was decided the Bulldogge Brasileiro content should be merged into the Bulldog breeds article. They didn't vote to delete the content, but to keep it... just in another location (merge). I'm now pinging those participants (User:SalmanZ, User:William_Harris, and User:Waz8) in case they're interested in that content. — Nomopbs (talk) 16:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nomopbs - the solution to disruptive editing is a block, and that is where you are headed - in fact, based on the disruption you caused during a GA review, it appears you may be headed for a t-ban. By adding back the material I removed, you are Wikipedia:Edit warring. Several of us have AGF with you, and have exercised more than our share of patience. There are no verifiable RS for that content, and that is why I removed it - see WP:OR and WP:V which are core content policies VS the guideline you are citing. If you can find RS, do so, and then discuss the addition on the article TP. Regarding the AfD merge - discuss what you think should be merged on the article TP - and it needs to be cited to RS. If it is not, do not merge. Call an RfC and see if you can get consensus for what you want to merge, but until RS are cited, I oppose anything being merged and so do other editors. Leave it out. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]