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Featured articleMackinac Island is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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Porter Hanks

Lists of notable residents are, by consensus, typically limited to people with existing articles. Otherwise, an article listing people from New York City would include my aunt who, I assure you, is not notable (sorry!) along with several million other people. When editors add red linked names to these lists, the WP:CONSENSUS notice reads, "Your recent edit to (article name) appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you." In other words, if you know of a notable person who you feel should be on the list, write the article first, then add them to the list. Constructive discussion before I remove this guy again? - SummerPhD (talk) 13:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the article has a notice restricting itself the notable people section to persons only with articles, notable people without an article can be listed if they have references that meet WP:RS to back up their notability. The comparison of Porter Hanks to your Aunt in New York is silly in the extreme. Hanks has had poetry[1] written about him over 100 years after his death....William 14:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
List of people from New York City along with hundreds of other such lists are typically limited to entries with pre-existing articles. I am unsure why you feel this article is somehow different. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I placed Porter Hanks on the list because he is more notable than the majority of people already on the list. Virtually every history textbook on the War of 1812 mentions him and the key role he played while on the island. I added his name because its omission was glaringly obvious to me. Having the criteria be whether or not there is a Wikipedia page on him seems a poor one to me. Plenty of notable historical figures have no Wikipedia page. However, it's no skin off my nose to impoverish the list by removing him.DanQuigley 20:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I've added a redirect; Porter Hanks - > Siege of Fort Mackinac. If anyone cares to create the article, have at it. Otherwise, I'll get to a stub at some point. As this article is one of only two that link to Porter Hanks, I won't be working on that very soon. (The other, obviously, is Siege of Fort Mackinac.) - SummerPhD (talk) 21:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken a stab at writing a notable article about Lt. Hanks. Comments are welcome. Bigturtle (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge 2019

Mackinac Island is an island. Mackinac Island, Michigan is a city whose territory comprises the island and the smaller uninhabited Round Island (Michigan). We don't need separate articles for the island and city: for analogy, Manhattan Island and Manhattan (borough) redirect to the same article, which article explains that the borough includes other smaller lands as well as (nearly all of) the eponymous island. Mackinac Island about the island is a featured article. Mackinac Island, Michigan about the city is inferior and contains mostly a repetition of information in the island article, with sentences and navboxes that aren't in the island article but could easily be. The main extra bit in the city article is the tedious demographic info generated by bots. If that tedious info can be curated into a human-friendly form and added to the island article then the city article becomes completely redundant.

Previous merge discussion in 2004–2005 at Talk:Mackinac Island/archive#older entries and Talk:Mackinac Island, Michigan#Merge was instigated by Bkonrad; nobody supported a merger but the four commenters' arguments were IMHO weak: Decumanus and Rmhermen seemed worried that the bot info would look bad in the other article (I agree, see above); Funnyhat and CBessert said the two island and municipality were different concepts (I agree, cf. Manhattan). jnestorius(talk) 01:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disagree: The island and the city are two distinct entities and shouldn't follow suit just because other island jurisdictions may be merged into one article. The article Mackinac Island, Michigan should focus on the city's history, as well as demographics, notable residents, structures, and human elements. The Mackinac Island article itself can focus on the geography, geology, and natural elements. The city's article could use a good cleanup and restructuring (to remove redundant information and an overly tourist tone), but combining the two would overload a single article with too much information —Notorious4life (talk) 02:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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